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Old 04-05-2017, 10:55 AM  
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Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

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Old 06-03-2017, 09:57 PM   #1741
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600 was a legendary number when I grew up Aaron Ruth Mays. Aarons stock went down when I heard people talk about his defense. Ruth was a fat white guy that didn't play against blacks. That made me feel like Mays was the best ever.
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:26 PM   #1742
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600 was a legendary number when I grew up Aaron Ruth Mays. Aarons stock went down when I heard people talk about his defense. Ruth was a fat white guy that didn't play against blacks. That made me feel like Mays was the best ever.
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Old 06-04-2017, 03:31 AM   #1743
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600 was a legendary number when I grew up Aaron Ruth Mays. Aarons stock went down when I heard people talk about his defense. Ruth was a fat white guy that didn't play against blacks. That made me feel like Mays was the best ever.
I dont acknowledge any baseball historical records before Jackie Robinson. No blacks, no japs, no cubans, no dominicans, etc. Im sure guys like Ruth would still be good players but their numbers wouldn't be so gaudy.
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Old 06-04-2017, 07:06 AM   #1744
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I get that our O has been playing better lately, but ffs, enough with Esky at lead off. You can't have a guy with a near .200 OBP at the top of the order. It's so absolutely retarded, yet so Ned-like. Put Whit in that spot and stop ****ing around.
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Old 06-04-2017, 07:23 AM   #1745
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I get that our O has been playing better lately, but ffs, enough with Esky at lead off. You can't have a guy with a near .200 OBP at the top of the order. It's so absolutely retarded, yet so Ned-like. Put Whit in that spot and stop ****ing around.
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Old 06-04-2017, 09:15 AM   #1746
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It's weird as hell but if it's working stick with it. For some reason they play better with him leading off
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:01 AM   #1748
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I dont acknowledge any baseball historical records before Jackie Robinson. No blacks, no japs, no cubans, no dominicans, etc. Im sure guys like Ruth would still be good players but their numbers wouldn't be so gaudy.

I disagree, primarily because Ruth put up the same type of gaudy numbers when barnstorming against Negro League players.

Theres also the matter of how many fewer major leaguers there were, which meant the pitching pool was much, much more limited.

And worse hitting conditions. And worse baseballs.

I dug through a bunch of old box scores from the New York papers, reporting on Ruth's barnstorming tours. He dominated those just like he did the major leagues.


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I disagree, primarily because Ruth put up the same type of gaudy numbers when barnstorming against Negro League players.

Theres also the matter of how many fewer major leaguers there were, which meant the pitching pool was much, much more limited.

And worse hitting conditions. And worse baseballs.

I dug through a bunch of old box scores from the New York papers, reporting on Ruth's barnstorming tours. He dominated those just like he did the major leagues.


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on the barn storming tours you think they would be more likely to just beat babe with eat because that was the flashy negro way? Or would they pitch like change speeds and stuff. That is the only thing would be my gripe with that argument.
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on the barn storming tours you think they would be more likely to just beat babe with eat because that was the flashy negro way? Or would they pitch like change speeds and stuff. That is the only thing would be my gripe with that argument.
deh be doin does negro antics dat's fo sho'!
from what I've read and heard from Buck O'Neil those negroes didn't mess around when they played whitey
those were games they definitely wanted to win
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