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Old 07-21-2018, 09:12 PM  
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Powerline Blog: Breaking: Carter Page FISA file released

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The Trump administration has just released a heavily redacted version of the FISA application on Carter Page to the New York Times and other news organization that sought it under the Freedom of Information Act. The Times reports on the release in this breaking news article by Charlie Savage. I have embedded the file as posted by the Times below via Scribd.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...e-released.php

Here's the application and, as mentioned, it's heavily redacted.

https://www.scribd.com/document/3843...ile#from_embed
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:49 AM   #61
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You laid the charge.
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Old 07-22-2018, 02:26 AM   #62
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“The F.B.I. believes Page has been the subject of targeted recruitment by the Russian government.”

Following a redacted line, “undermine and influence the outcome of the 2016 U.S. presidential election in violation of U.S. criminal law. Mr. Page is a former foreign policy adviser to a candidate for U.S. president.”

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"Page has established relationships with Russian government officials, including Russian intelligence officers"

"The FBI believes Page has been the subject of targeted recruitment by the Russian government"

FISA requests also must be repeatedly renewed, and was done so multiple times, including well into last year.

If you want to speak about whether or not FISA should exist, that's a separate discussion, but the release of this information is in no way a vindication of Page and/or Trump's campaign.
It’s the FBI that needs vindication, not Page or the Trump campaign.
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Old 07-22-2018, 02:34 AM   #63
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Not yet. I skimmed through some of it. From what I did read it looks like there was a lot the application redacted.
I'm gonna have to go along with the judges who issued the warrant. Might change my mind is it's ever completely released. It depends on what ALL of it says.
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Old 07-22-2018, 03:11 AM   #64
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I agree, we can only go by whats available right now. I'd agree that it's a bunch of bullshit if the dossier and a few news reports were all the evidence they presented. But it's not. If you look at page 17 and a few pages further you'll see where they had evidence Carter was meeting with Russians about raising a compromising dossier.
That's about as far as I got for now.
I don't know how tf OP draws his conclusion. You should read this thing. All it does is regurgitate what we already know. And proves that Nunes memo to be a lie. The biggest immediate takeaways:

- Carter Page is a spy for the Russian government. He is not an unwilling or unwitting collaborator. He is a full on spy working for Russian intel and military.

- Carter Page met with the president of Rosneft while in Russia when he was part of Trump's campaign. This confirms a huge part of the Steele Dossier

- Carter Page sought damaging material on Clinton while in Russia from Russian intel. Direct collusion and criminal conspiracy.

Unless Page has sung like a bird about everyone above him, he will die in prison. He may also be executed.

This brings the total number of foreign agents in the Trump campaign to three, joining Manafort and Flynn.

Zero foreign agents have been revealed from the Hillary campaign.
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Old 07-22-2018, 04:48 AM   #65
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:47 AM   #66
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I don't know how tf OP draws his conclusion. You should read this thing. All it does is regurgitate what we already know. And proves that Nunes memo to be a lie. The biggest immediate takeaways:

- Carter Page is a spy for the Russian government. He is not an unwilling or unwitting collaborator. He is a full on spy working for Russian intel and military.

- Carter Page met with the president of Rosneft while in Russia when he was part of Trump's campaign. This confirms a huge part of the Steele Dossier

- Carter Page sought damaging material on Clinton while in Russia from Russian intel. Direct collusion and criminal conspiracy.

Unless Page has sung like a bird about everyone above him, he will die in prison. He may also be executed.

This brings the total number of foreign agents in the Trump campaign to three, joining Manafort and Flynn.

Zero foreign agents have been revealed from the Hillary campaign.

Not only that but there's still a lot more information they presented that's been redacted.
For people to act like 'The fix is in', that the FBI and those FOUR judges were conspiring together is laughable.
Just more examples of...
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Old 07-22-2018, 07:08 AM   #67
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Not only that but there's still a lot more information they presented that's been redacted.
For people to act like 'The fix is in', that the FBI and those FOUR judges were conspiring together is laughable.
Just more examples of...
So you are just going to ignore all of frozenchiefs posts and go with your own knowledge on this?
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Old 07-22-2018, 07:09 AM   #68
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There’s one other thing: if the DOJ had the goods on Page, he would have been arrested and threatened with decades in prison unless he cooperated. That he’s walking around, almost 2years later, 15+ months after special counsel, tells me that they really had nothing.
This seems to be one of the most obviously glaring problems with the governments "case" for the FISA warrant.

Page worked for the FBI before to bust Russian spies?

Page has to be a plant does he not?
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Old 07-22-2018, 07:10 AM   #69
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So you are just going to ignore all of FrozenChiefs posts and go with your own knowledge on this?
So you're going to ignore what I posted and go with 'But but but FrozenChief said'?
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Old 07-22-2018, 07:14 AM   #70
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So you're going to ignore what I posted and go with 'But but but FrozenChief said'?
Nothing you posted refutes what frozenchief is saying. He pointed out that 4 judges approving the warrant doesn't mean shit.

How do you explain Page never being touched by the FBI still to this day?

Somehow you put more merit into eDave's drunken complete bullshit rambling lies than what a person with knowledge about these things says.
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I don't know how tf OP draws his conclusion. You should read this thing. All it does is regurgitate what we already know. And proves that Nunes memo to be a lie. The biggest immediate takeaways:

- Carter Page is a spy for the Russian government. He is not an unwilling or unwitting collaborator. He is a full on spy working for Russian intel and military.

- Carter Page met with the president of Rosneft while in Russia when he was part of Trump's campaign. This confirms a huge part of the Steele Dossier

- Carter Page sought damaging material on Clinton while in Russia from Russian intel. Direct collusion and criminal conspiracy.

Unless Page has sung like a bird about everyone above him, he will die in prison. He may also be executed.

This brings the total number of foreign agents in the Trump campaign to three, joining Manafort and Flynn.

Zero foreign agents have been revealed from the Hillary campaign.
Holy ****ing shit you just went full retard. How you could even, I mean Jesus ****ing Christ eDAVE... this is beyond ****ing retarded.
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Holy ****ing shit you just went full retard. How you could even, I mean Jesus ****ing Christ eDAVE... this is beyond ****ing retarded.
Surely you're not surprised.
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Old 07-22-2018, 07:23 AM   #73
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****ing idiots, "dur I'm sure redacted makes the rest of this shit stain on America ok"

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So you are just going to ignore all of frozenchiefs posts and go with your own knowledge on this?
Considering I was posting my own opinion and had not interacted with FC at all, then no, I'm not. I don't care what he posted.
I read through the application. Hell, every renewal request included more information than the one before.
None of us know what all was presented to all four judges. Like I said before, until we have ALL of the information then any description of the application being an attempt to take Trump down is more of........
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You obviously have little to no experience dealing with federal warrants. Judges rarely make independent evaluations of the evidence presented, which is all the more distressing after Leon. And if you don’t know what I mean by Leon, you should know you are talking out your ass.

FISA isn’t necessarily governed by Leon but FISA is not supposed to be the basis for criminal charges. Further, the affidavit does not disclose that Page was instrumental in the prosecution and apprehension of Russian spies a few years prior. Page went to the FBI and based on his cooperation, the FBI prosecuted a whole Russian spy ring. The FISA warrant does not disclose this, nor does it give a reason why Page is now a suspect for recruitment by the Russians.

This is a major Franks issue. Again, if you don’t understand Franks, you don’t understand the significance of this omission.

Maybe it’s because I’ve been a federal defense attorney for a couple of decades but this stinks. It stinks worse than the tons of salmon that die and rot in south central Alaska rivers in the fall.
And that doesn't smell very good, does it, Precious!?

We all had a good idea this entire thing is a farce. Don't bother expecting people to expect someone like you who has experience with this stuff to know what you're talking about.
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