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Old 08-17-2018, 06:39 PM  
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Sutton's Defense Won't Dictate Or Attack

His defense lacks any sense of toughness and attack. He doesn't dictate anything. When he blitzes he blitzes to blitz and not to dictate what the ofense can and cannot do.

Take Wade Phillips on the other hand. The guy instantly upgrades any defense he coaches regardless of talent. Why? Because he has a defense that dictactes what an offense must do. Not sit back trying to defend against any and everything possible.

Preseason or not, toughness and an attacking mentality are something that shows regardless. Sutton's defenses are soft, reactionary and undisciplined.

How this guy still has a job bogles the minds of most. But I am afraid what we've seen the last few years is what we will see again. Minimal attack, dependency on a turnover. Lots of time on the field defensively.
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:50 PM   #16
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Phillips had the best defensive player in the NFL last year and they have up 20.9 points per game. We gave up 21.2.


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Old 08-17-2018, 06:51 PM   #17
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The funny thing is Suttons defenses have been just as good as Wade Phillips over the past 5 years even though Phillips has had more talent.
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Except when it was needed most...
Proof positive that stats can be meaningless.
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:51 PM   #18
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Thsi has already been discussed thoroughly in other threads...but you hang onto this if it makes you feel better
Yeah the defense allowing as few points as possible does make me feel better
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:51 PM   #19
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Can we at least wait until we arenít running vanilla gameplans in games that donít matter to determine this?

Good god pete
True. As much as I really don't like Sutton or his designs, I have to keep perspective and realize this isn't the real thing. The problem for me is the real thing doesn't look all that much improved than what 2018 has shown us so far.

/trying to not panic
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:51 PM   #20
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Can we at least wait until we arenít running vanilla gameplans in games that donít matter to determine this?

Good god pete
I guess the other teams aren't running vanilla?
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:52 PM   #21
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Phillips had the best defensive player in the NFL last year and they have up 20.9 points per game. We gave up 21.2.


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Now pull stats for situational down and distance. Bet there is a BIG difference.
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:53 PM   #22
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Except when it was needed most...
Proof positive that stats can be meaningless.
Phillips has laid many turds in the playoffs too
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Yeah the defense allowing as few points as possible does make me feel better
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Now pull stats for situational down and distance. Bet there is a BIG difference.
Denver's defense arguably won them a Superbowl. Literally.

Our defenses blew 2 of the 4 biggest playoff leads in football history.
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Old 08-17-2018, 06:54 PM   #24
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Sorry, not buying it. Toughness is a mentality and something that carries through in every play. This team is still soft. We aren't showing any hand, let alone our full hand.
I'm not optimistic. I was calling for his head this offseason.

But it's preseason and I'll give him a chance to show his hand once the season starts. I'd feel different if Reid was just talking coach speak. But he specifically said we'll be more aggressive. We haven't been at all in preseason which leads me to believe we're not showing our full hand.
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Now pull stats for situational down and distance. Bet there is a BIG difference.
I thought NFL games were won by allowing less points than you scored. Didnt know there was a new down and distance components to scoring now.
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I guess the other teams aren't running vanilla?
Every big run the defense gave up tonight was from Eligwe and T. Smith.

Do you think that happens with Hitchens and Ragland starting?
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Sutton and Reid share the same problem....neither seem to know how to put their foot on the throat of the opponent when you have them down
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Denver's defense arguably won them a Superbowl. Literally.

Our defenses blew 2 of the 4 biggest playoff leads in football history.
They've also allowed 43, 48, and 38 point games.
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Every big run the defense gave up tonight was from Eligwe and T. Smith.

Do you think that happens with Hitchens and Ragland starting.
With Bob Sutton? I wouldn't be shocked....
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