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Carbohydrates and inflammation

Iíve heard a couple different places now that eliminating carbohydrates from your diet can help eliminate inflammation.

As Lewdog (very douchtacullarly) pointed out, I have arthritis. Iím wondering if eliminating carbohydrates will eliminate some inflammation. Anymore I have no idea what the **** is based in science and what is hippie bullshit. This kind of sounds like the latter, at least in my head.

Itís not something Iím super excited about, but would be willing to consider if there is a science-based good probability of materially affecting the inflammation.
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Old 08-11-2018, 12:23 AM   #16
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I had pizza for dinner. I then took my hydrocodone, gabepentin, and Aleve. I don't know if the inflammation went down but I feel better than I did before I ate pizza.

It was pepperoni in case you were wondering
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Old 08-11-2018, 12:28 AM   #17
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FWIW every single thing I’ve read about lowering inflammation always has the same 2 things to eliminate (or greatly reduce): dairy and sugar.

Maybe worth a shot
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Old 08-11-2018, 12:29 AM   #18
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Carbohydrate deficiency

Not getting enough carbs can cause problems. Without sufficient fuel, the body gets no energy. Additionally, without sufficient glucose, the central nervous system suffers, which may cause dizziness or mental and physical weakness, according to Iowa State University. A deficiency of glucose, or low blood sugar, is called hypoglycemia.

If the body has insufficient carbohydrate intake or stores, it will consume protein for fuel. This is problematic because the body needs protein to make muscles. Using protein for fuel instead of carbohydrates also puts stress on the kidneys, leading to the passage of painful byproducts in the urine, according to the University of Cincinnati.

People who don't consume enough carbohydrates may also suffer from insufficient fiber, which can cause digestive problems and constipation.

https://www.livescience.com/51976-carbohydrates.html
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The energy value of digestible carbohydrates is generally accepted as 4 kcal/g for both sugars and starches. Fermentation of fiber in the gut will produce SCFAs that contribute calories, generally estimated to be ∼2 kcal/g. Few studies have linked carbohydrates to obesity. Indeed, observational data generally report that higher carbohydrate intake is linked to lower body weight.

Low-carbohydrate diets, especially those that avoid grains, are a popular notion for weight control. Yet most studies, including a recent systematic review and meta-analysis (7), found that low-carbohydrate vs. isoenergetic balanced diets had the same effect on weight loss, especially when looking at long-term effects on weight loss. There was little or no difference in weight loss and changes in cardiovascular risk factors up to 2 y of follow-up when overweight and obese adults, with or without type 2 diabetes, were randomly assigned to low-carbohydrate or isoenergetic balanced weight-loss diets.

Food patterns associated with health include consumption of dietary fiber, whole grains, vegetables, fruits, and dairy. The conclusions of recent research on carbohydrates and health from the 2010 Dietary Guidelines for Americans Advisory Committee report (8) are summarized below:

The primary role of carbohydrate is to provide energy to all cells in the body and dietary fiber. Adults should consume 45–65% of their total calories from carbohydrates, except for younger children who need a somewhat higher proportion of fat in their diets. A maximum intake of 25% of added sugars is suggested. Americans should choose fiber-rich foods such as whole grains, vegetables, fruits, and cooked dry beans and peas as staples in the diet. Dairy products are also a nutrient-dense source of carbohydrates. Carbohydrates are the primary energy source for active people. Sedentary people, including most Americans, should decrease consumption of caloric carbohydrates to balance energy needs and attain and maintain ideal weight.

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Recently, diets low in carbohydrate content have become a matter of international attention because of the WHO recommendations to reduce the overall consumption of sugars and rapidly digestible starches. One of the common metabolic changes assumed to take place when a person follows a low-carbohydrate diet is ketosis. Low-carbohydrate intakes result in a reduction of the circulating insulin level, which promotes high level of circulating fatty acids, used for oxidation and production of ketone bodies. It is assumed that when carbohydrate availability is reduced in short term to a significant amount, the body will be stimulated to maximize fat oxidation for energy needs. The currently available scientific literature shows that low-carbohydrate diets acutely induce a number of favourable effects, such as a rapid weight loss, decrease of fasting glucose and insulin levels, reduction of circulating triglyceride levels and improvement of blood pressure. On the other hand some less desirable immediate effects such as enhanced lean body mass loss, increased urinary calcium loss, increased plasma homocysteine levels, increased low-density lipoprotein-cholesterol have been reported.

https://www.ncbi..nih.gov/pubmed/16436102
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Old 08-11-2018, 12:36 AM   #19
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Sure. Again, for overweight people with little to no exercise, cutting carbs can absolutely be beneficial. But for most, drastically cutting carbs can have very different consequences regarding hormone balance, metabolism, etc. It also depends a lot on the type of carbs.

What works for you isn't necessary what works for most.
I agree, the problem is so much information out there that conflicts. Low fat, keto, vegan etc what you normally find at the end is someone trying to sell you something.

I do think people need to be open minded, If I wasn't I would never have tried fasting and low carb.
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Old 08-11-2018, 12:43 AM   #20
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all i know is i have eliminated sugar from my diet and i feel better, i have more energy. I recently started working out. Hitting a heavy bag every morning in 4 weeks i went from hitting a punching bag for 4 min and i was exhausted for my first time back at it, i am now on it for 35 min, 6 days a week. I eat some carbs. Ill have low carb tortilla's (im Mexican and i need some tortillas) lol and some tortilla chips every now and again. For me, it was about the ****ing sugar and bread. Im not saying i never have them, but once every 2 weeks ill have a sub or some ice cream, but for the most part, i just eat alot of ground turkey, veggies. Sugar on an everyday bases is just bad.

i cut back on my beef intake as well. ill have a steak once a week, maybe twice. There are times ill go weeks without it as well.
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Old 08-11-2018, 12:44 AM   #21
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I agree, the problem is so much information out there that conflicts. Low fat, keto, vegan etc what you normally find at the end is someone trying to sell you something.

I do think people need to be open minded, If I wasn't I would never have tried fasting and low carb.
I would recommend looking at scientific info from people that aren't trying to sell you a remedy for it. For instance, "Dr." Berg above has his own entire subdomain for selling his keto BS: https://shop.drberg.com/keto-combo-regular

The scientists from the studies I listed above don't have hundreds of items to sell you.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discourage healthy practices. Low carb absolutely does have benefits for some. But portraying it as an inflammation cure all just isn't honest in my opinion.
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Old 08-11-2018, 01:24 AM   #22
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Have you honestly seen what this chucklehead tries to sell? Take a look:

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Do you really believe that this chiropractor actually has any knowledge and experience in the fields in the link? How can you honestly look at that and think this guy is some kind of expert, as opposed to a snake oil salesmen trying to sell a cure for every type of malady. Let's take a look at this short list of treatments "Dr." Berg offers for sale. Seriously, he will sell you something for each of these issues and many more..

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Old 08-11-2018, 03:39 AM   #23
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Its different for everyone. You cant really just lump everyone together. Some will be inflamed by sugar, others dairy and some carbs.
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:19 AM   #24
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Iíve heard a couple different places now that eliminating carbohydrates from your diet can help eliminate inflammation.

As Lewdog (very douchtacullarly) pointed out, I have arthritis. Iím wondering if eliminating carbohydrates will eliminate some inflammation. Anymore I have no idea what the **** is based in science and what is hippie bullshit. This kind of sounds like the latter, at least in my head.

Itís not something Iím super excited about, but would be willing to consider if there is a science-based good probability of materially affecting the inflammation.
There are foods and food groups that exacerbate inflammation. Dr. Google will tell you all about it. Try a low inflammation diet. It won't hurt and it may help. Some have outstanding results.
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Old 08-11-2018, 06:33 AM   #25
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Sure. Again, for overweight people with little to no exercise, cutting carbs can absolutely be beneficial. But for most, drastically cutting carbs can have very different consequences regarding hormone balance, metabolism, etc. It also depends a lot on the type of carbs.

What works for you isn't necessary what works for most.
Yep, if you sit on your ass for a job then cutting carbs isn’t a big deal.


If you are active and physically work for a living it’s a little different.

Find balance. That’s always been the key.
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Old 08-11-2018, 09:51 AM   #26
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The human body has absolutely no need for any carbohydrates. They don't supply any trace minerals ,vitamins or protein.

Get on a Ketogenic diet which is very satisfying ,(your hunger cravings absolutely go away) and then go to intermittent fasting. Inflammation will virtually disappear. I've gone to one meal a day. Yesterday I skipped the one meal which gave me a 48 hour fast.

After the doctor damn near gave me brain damage with a medication switch i made up my mind I'm done with any medication I'm taking just because I'm a little overweight causing high blood pressure.
1. Yes, it does. Glycogen stores in your body are complex polysaccharides, i.e. carbohydrates, which provide the primary fuel for the brain.

2. There's a reason why hypertension is called the silent killer. You may feel fine, but if your hypertension is not controlled, you run the risk of progressive kidney and heart damage.

Don't swear off medicine because of one bad practitioner. Would you never use a car again because one dealer sold you a lemon?
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The human body has absolutely no need for any carbohydrates. They don't supply any trace minerals ,vitamins or protein.

Get on a Ketogenic diet which is very satisfying ,(your hunger cravings absolutely go away) and then go to intermittent fasting. Inflammation will virtually disappear. I've gone to one meal a day. Yesterday I skipped the one meal which gave me a 48 hour fast.

After the doctor damn near gave me brain damage with a medication switch i made up my mind I'm done with any medication I'm taking just because I'm a little overweight causing high blood pressure.
What were you taking? Now?
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:15 AM   #28
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I wouldnít eliminate carbohydrates from my diet. I donít think thats a smart thing to do to the human body.

I say go old school and simple. Inflammation? No prob, just use ice.
Carbs from BERRIES AND FRUIT are good for you but in weight loss they have to be minimized. Berries are my go to carb and I don't eat bread, pasta other than La Tortilla Factory Low carb wraps.
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What were you taking? Now?
I was taking two meds. Valsartan 160mg and Hydrochlorothaladone 25mg. I complained to the doctor of severe dry mouth and sore throat.

He switched me to a single pill combo Valsartan160/HCTZ 12.5. After three weeks I had a blind episode while driving and severe dizzines,panic attacks, anxiety, head pain, eyeball pain . didn't think about it being side affects until I went to refill my medication and they said it had been recalled.

After investigating I found the medication had been contaminated with a known carcinogen and looking up the side effects all my symptoms were listed.


I made up my mind right then I was done with this shit. I cut out ALL CARBS except what I get in a salad. I've now lost 20 pounds in two plus weeks and my blood pressure is right where it's supposed to be.

I'm on no meds now and feel better than I've felt in years.

I had been on blood pressure meds for 25 years.
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