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Old 08-10-2018, 06:57 AM  
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Ex-Ohio State wrestler clarifies comment about congressman's awareness of abuse

**** this mentally twisted asshole and all those on the left who jumped on this without waiting for proof in an attempt to make political hay out of it.
And **** #metoo for the witch hunt it's become.



A month ago, former Ohio State University wrestler Mark Coleman told a national newspaper that his former assistant coach, now an Ohio congressman, must have known about sexual abuse allegations against a team doctor.

"There's no way unless he's got dementia or something that he's got no recollection of what was going on at Ohio State," Coleman told The Wall Street Journal about Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, who was an assistant wrestling coach during the time the doctor is accused of abusing athletes. "I have nothing but respect for this man. I love this man. But he knew as far as I'm concerned."

On Thursday, Coleman told CNN he wants to clarify his comment, and he stressed he has no direct knowledge that Jordan knew of any sexual abuse by Dr. Richard Strauss, a doctor at Ohio State.
More than 100 former students, including Coleman, have accused Strauss of sexual misconduct. They said the abuse took place between 1979 and 1997, the university has said. Strauss died in 2005.
"Maybe I spoke without thinking," Coleman said Thursday. "This has absorbed my life. Since I've said that, it's consumed me 24 hours a day, and I didn't like the way it was heading, the direction it was heading."...

...Coleman told CNN he no longer stands by his statement.
"I was angry and said words that I shouldn't have said," Coleman said. "He may have known about some locker room banter because we did joke about it in the locker room, but I don't know of anyone ever reporting it to Jim Jordan directly."


Coleman spoke to CNN on the phone. He did not want to appear on camera.
"I'm clarifying (the earlier statement) because it's been on my mind for a long time and I feel guilty that this happened, and I wanted to clarify it," he said. "Not change it. I said what I said."...

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Old 08-10-2018, 07:49 AM   #2
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This isn't a MeToo moment. The dirty doctor was feeling up hundreds, maybe thousands of dudes. The misconduct by the doctor is not alleged. It's actual. The question is if an assistant coach knew that was happening. Sorry, find that very hard to believe.
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Old 08-10-2018, 07:55 AM   #3
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This isn't a MeToo moment. The dirty doctor was feeling up hundreds, maybe thousands of dudes. The misconduct by the doctor is not alleged. It's actual. The question is if an assistant coach knew that was happening. Sorry, find that very hard to believe.
Go away, don't zilla this with your rambling nonsense.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:01 AM   #4
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This isn't a MeToo moment. The dirty doctor was feeling up hundreds, maybe thousands of dudes. The misconduct by the doctor is not alleged. It's actual. The question is if an assistant coach knew that was happening. Sorry, find that very hard to believe.
Sorry if you can't see that nothing, NOTHING, happens to a big 10 wrestler against their will. You'd have to be pretty ****ed in the head to think it could. It's a bullshit story to begin with and when Jordan becomes speaker snowflakes better watch out.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:03 AM   #5
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This isn't a MeToo moment. The dirty doctor was feeling up hundreds, maybe thousands of dudes. The misconduct by the doctor is not alleged. It's actual. The question is if an assistant coach knew that was happening. Sorry, find that very hard to believe.
Actual misconduct doesn't take it out of the #metoo category. But this isn't about the doctor, it's about allegations made against Jim Jordan. The #metoo movement teaches us that doubting accusers is tantamount to enabling the offenders.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:38 AM   #6
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Sorry if you can't see that nothing, NOTHING, happens to a big 10 wrestler against their will. You'd have to be pretty ****ed in the head to think it could. It's a bullshit story to begin with and when Jordan becomes speaker snowflakes better watch out.
nah... some people freeze up. it happened to Sugar Ray Leonard even.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:47 AM   #7
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Sorry if you can't see that nothing, NOTHING, happens to a big 10 wrestler against their will. You'd have to be pretty ****ed in the head to think it could. It's a bullshit story to begin with and when Jordan becomes speaker snowflakes better watch out.
You'd have to be ****ed in the head to think that when hundreds of accusers come out of the woodwork against the same person, nothing happened. The doctor was obviously a piece of shit. Jordan's "issue" if any is that he didn't do anything about it. He doesn't necessarily have to and maybe he actually didn't know. But let's not play this ridiculous horse shit game that nothing happened.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:51 AM   #8
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Actual misconduct doesn't take it out of the #metoo category. But this isn't about the doctor, it's about allegations made against Jim Jordan. The #metoo movement teaches us that doubting accusers is tantamount to enabling the offenders.
That was my point. The op tried to use #metoo as if we're talking about some phony allegation. The allegation of misconduct is not phony. Too much smoke for that not to be real.

The Jim Jordan thing has nothing to do with MeToo. If anything, it's more an urban Meyer situation.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:57 AM   #9
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That was my point. The op tried to use #metoo as if we're talking about some phony allegation. The allegation of misconduct is not phony. Too much smoke for that not to be real.
No he didn't.

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The Jim Jordan thing has nothing to do with MeToo. If anything, it's more an urban Meyer situation.
You're understanding of #metoo and it's impact is way too narrow, IMO.
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:10 AM   #10
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No he didn't.



You're understanding of #metoo and it's impact is way too narrow, IMO.
Most #MeToo anger is around women making accusations about things that never happened. Or were exaggerated. That is not the case here. The misconduct happened.

This is an urban Meyer situation, not a Zach Smith MeToo moment. The question isn't about whether misconduct happened, it's if you believe a coach knew it happened and whether he had an obligation to do more than he did.
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:19 AM   #11
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Most #MeToo anger is around women making accusations about things that never happened. Or were exaggerated. That is not the case here. The misconduct happened.

This is an urban Meyer situation, not a Zach Smith MeToo moment. The question isn't about whether misconduct happened, it's if you believe a coach knew it happened and whether he had an obligation to do more than he did.
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:13 AM   #13
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You're in your own world.
This isn't alleged misconduct, this is actual. There isn't a question about whether somebody should have done something about it... Of course somebody should have.

Eventually the question is if Jordan did enough. That we don't know and frankly, I wouldn't care much if he reported it but nothing was done about it. But Jordan isn't making that argument. He's claiming he didn't know... Period. The witch hunt is around whether he's lying, not about whether he did enough. Let's not throw the MeToo label out there as if this didn't happen and as if there wasn't an obvious responsibility for anyone who knew to report it, so that piece of shit doctor would lose his license.
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"I'm clarifying completely changing (the earlier statement) because it's been on my mind for a long time I don't have any proof or backing for that statement and I feel guilty that this happened, and I wanted to clarify it my lawyer told me Jordan could bankrupt me by suing me for defamation," he said.
Just fixing the man's quote.
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:22 AM   #15
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Just fixing the man's quote.
He didn't actually change his comment. He never originally said anyone directly told Jordan. He said the behavior was so obvious and rampant, how could he not have known. And his "retraction" still hints at that.
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