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Old 08-07-2018, 11:41 AM  
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Crackdown: Twitter Suspend Libertarian Accounts Including Ron Paul Institute Director

The Crackdown Continues: Twitter Suspends Libertarian Accounts, Including Ron Paul Institute Director

One day after what appeared to be a coordinated attack by media giants Facebook, Apple, Spotify and Google on Alex Jones, whose various social media accounts were banned or suspended in a matter of hours, the crackdown against alternative media figures continued as several Libertarian figures, including the Ron Paul Institute director, found their Twitter accounts suspended.




On Monday, Twitter suspended the editorial director of antiwar.com Scott Horton, former State Department employee Peter Van Buren, and Dan McAdams, the executive director of the Ron Paul Institute.




Horton was reportedly disciplined for the use of "improper language" against journalist Jonathan M. Katz, he said in a brief statement, while McAdams was suspended for retweeting him, he said. Past tweets in both accounts were available to the public at the time of the writing, unlike the account of Van Buren, which was fully suspended.

According to TargetLiberty, Horton and McAdams fell victim of Twitter’s suspension algorithm after objecting to Katz’s quarrel with Van Buren over an earlier interview.








The suspensions come days after Twitter suspended black conservative Candace Owen from Twitter for highlighting the algorithmic hypocrisy of Twitter by replacing the word “white” with “Jewish” in a series of tweets modeled on those by New York Times editor Sarah Jeong.

just after controversial conservative Alex Jones, and his podcast InfoWars, were kicked out from most social media platforms, prompting conservative to accuse the social networks of collusion in a collective crackdown on non-mainstream voices. The Silicon Valley giants were criticized by the US political establishment for failing to prevent alleged Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. Meanwhile, critics now say the pressured media giants are engaging in political censorship, using their market dominance and lack of legislated neutrality requirements to target descent voices ahead of the midterm elections.

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In a scathing op-ed on Tuesday, Nigel Farage wrote that "while many on the libertarian right and within the conservative movement have their issues with Alex Jones and InfoWars, this week’s announcement by YouTube, Facebook, Apple, and Spotify represents a concerted effort of proscription and censorship that could just as soon see any of us confined to the dustbin of social media history."
These platforms that claim to be “open” and in favor of “free speech” are now routinely targeting -- whether by human intervention or not -- the views and expressions of conservatives and anti-globalists.

This is why they no longer even fit the bill of “platforms.” They are publishers in the same way we regard news outlets as publishers. They may use more machine learning and automation, but their systems clearly take editorial positions. We need to hold them to account in the same way we do any other publisher.
Farage then accused social media giants of being corporatist:
That they cannot profess to be neutral, open platforms while being illiberal, dictatorial, and hiding behind the visage of a private corporation (which are more often than not in bed with governments around the world at the very highest levels).

This isn’t capitalism. It’s corporatism.
He concludes that the real interference in "US democracy" comes not from Russia, but from some of its most powerful corporations which now yield more power in some cases than the government itself: "This isn’t “liberal democracy” as they keep pretending. It’s autocracy."

"...for those that don’t take issue with the latest censorship of right-wingers by big social media -- unless we take a stand now, who knows where it could end."


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Old 08-07-2018, 02:25 PM   #16
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So why the outrage? Why would any of you god-fearing conservatives want to use this platform when it represents everything you hate? Deepstate, CIA, communism, liberalism.

Help me understand why any of you want to associate with this?
I'm sure the answer is that when it comes to Twitter, Facebook, Google, Apple, etc - they're all pushing the same agenda, so there's no place else to go, currently, in terms of social networks.
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Old 08-07-2018, 02:26 PM   #17
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Old 08-07-2018, 02:29 PM   #18
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I'm sure the answer is that when it comes to Twitter, Facebook, Google, Apple, etc - they're all pushing the same agenda, so there's no place else to go, currently.
Then stay off all of it and develop your own. Don't be a hypocrite that supports everything you hate by using their platforms. And don't make threads crying like a bitch about it either.

I mean, i've been led to believe that conservatives are the majority, and without all of those pesky Illegals voting the number would swing even more heavily towards conservatives.

You'd think that someone in the majority could develop their own platform by now.

Imagine how Twitter, Facebook, Google, Apple etc would react if 150million people just stuck to their apparent beliefs and stopped using these platforms.
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Old 08-07-2018, 02:44 PM   #19
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Partisanship has 'ruined' (I use that term loosely because much of it is crap) the content of social media platforms. It would be nice to have a segregated app, or merely sections of existing apps to deal with politics and religion (at least). There would be many ways to do it, but the most realistic way I could see would be for a new platform to be launched that began segregated. Not that people couldn't interact with each other based on their differences but that each post, or expression, or Twat that Twattered would be labeled in the same way threads are labeled here on CP. Your friends would see a badge showing your screen name and the genre of your post.


Don't want to hear ol' racist Uncle Billy talk about how the colored people are weakening our country? Don't click on that [Billy-Modern American Culture] badge. Do want to see Uncle Billy and Aunt Bessy enjoying a tour of historic churches? Do click on that [Billy-Family Vacation: Ancient Religious Structures]. Every post or pic has to go into a category. If necessary, mods will help you find the right one, or help create one if it doesn't exist yet. And then over time the app may push the ones with a strong negative lean to the bottom of your feed, using your history of 'yes/no' to make that determination. Yes, it's still a bubble. But the bubble is only as thick as you and your friends are.
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Old 08-07-2018, 02:54 PM   #20
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Partisanship has 'ruined' (I use that term loosely because much of it is crap) the content of social media platforms. It would be nice to have a segregated app, or merely sections of existing apps to deal with politics and religion (at least). There would be many ways to do it, but the most realistic way I could see would be for a new platform to be launched that began segregated. Not that people couldn't interact with each other based on their differences but that each post, or expression, or Twat that Twattered would be labeled in the same way threads are labeled here on CP. Your friends would see a badge showing your screen name and the genre of your post.


Don't want to hear ol' racist Uncle Billy talk about how the colored people are weakening our country? Don't click on that [Billy-Modern American Culture] badge. Do want to see Uncle Billy and Aunt Bessy enjoying a tour of historic churches? Do click on that [Billy-Family Vacation: Ancient Religious Structures]. Every post or pic has to go into a category. If necessary, mods will help you find the right one, or help create one if it doesn't exist yet. And then over time the app may push the ones with a strong negative lean to the bottom of your feed, using your history of 'yes/no' to make that determination. Yes, it's still a bubble. But the bubble is only as thick as you and your friends are.
You can block folks without unfriending them. The former can't be seen and the latter can. It's how folks turn off family that are excessively political.
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Old 08-07-2018, 02:56 PM   #21
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Apparently Detoxing, is unaware that Telecom is in bed with govt handing over our private information. So per his logic people who object to Big Brother, shouldn't use phones anymore. The govt is just way to involved in too many areas—is the root of the problem.
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Old 08-07-2018, 03:38 PM   #22
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So why the outrage? Why would any of you god-fearing conservatives want to use this platform when it represents everything you hate? Deepstate, CIA, communism, liberalism.

Help me understand why any of you want to associate with this?
I don't use twitter, jackass.

The only reason i brought my facebook back was because the fiancee "needed stuff" for our upcoming wedding.
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Old 08-07-2018, 03:41 PM   #23
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I don't use twitter, jackass.

The only reason i brought my facebook back was because the fiancee "needed stuff" for our upcoming wedding.
Well good for you then. I guess my post doesn't apply to you does it, you little rebel.
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Old 08-07-2018, 03:43 PM   #24
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Old 08-07-2018, 09:31 PM   #26
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Old 08-07-2018, 09:47 PM   #27
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If twitter is a CIA front, then why the **** do any of you care? Don't use the platform.

THEY'RE A CIA FRONT! Why the **** would you use a platform that's seeded with Deepstate money that serves to gather data for the CIA?

What the **** is wrong with you hypocrites?

And yet here's BEP, the biggest hypocrite of them all bitching and complaining...
I don't really understand any of the points you're making.

Firstly you seem to be in opposition to anti-trust legislation, in favor of political gate-keeping in largely monopolized industries, and in this post seem to indicate that me or others not using twitter somehow makes the problem go away. I do not and never have used twitter, and yet it's STILL used to spread false narratives 24 hours a day. It's used by individuals to destroy the reputations of others and using censorship to silence their own defense against those smear is fundamentally and obviously immoral and dishonest. This is why a lot of people will block someone on twitter and then start just making up lies about them. They can spread lies and prevent that person from defending themselves from it. It's actually classic 'mean girl' bullying.

Silencing someone does not only victimize them. People also have the right to hear other people's speech, and violating that is very much also violating the value of free speech.

Let me ask you... do you value free speech as a value of western liberal democracies, or do you view it simply as some right guaranteed by the constitution to protect you from the government?
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Has anyone made a point that facebook, youtube, etc. going from public forum to having editorial/community guidelines opens them up for more copyright infringement claims?

Basically, since the company has assumed the responsibility for policing the content its members post, it has opened itself up to further and harsher copyright claims.
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Old 08-08-2018, 06:51 AM   #29
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Has anyone made a point that facebook, youtube, etc. going from public forum to having editorial/community guidelines opens them up for more copyright infringement claims?

Basically, since the company has assumed the responsibility for policing the content its members post, it has opened itself up to further and harsher copyright claims.
As a libertarian, you do support contracts right?

These content platforms are in breach of contract if they claim to allow diverse views. Furthermore, as I understand contract law having had business disputes regarding contracts of my own, any vagueness of terms is usually held against the side using vague terms.

The enjoy protections from certain liabilities from posts by the public, if they register as a public platform. However, they don't enjoy those protections if they register as a private platform. This is one of the points Ted Cruz made to Zuckerberg in his hearings.
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Old 08-08-2018, 06:55 AM   #30
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Time is ripe for another social media platform to emerge. It's gonna be a conservative\libertarian platform, and it will probably be successful. Lines are being drawn. Businesses can do what they want, and new businesses can challenge them. The world does not stop at Twitter and Facebook etc. This is just a new opportunity.
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