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Old 06-24-2017, 03:56 PM  
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Michael Brown's family: gets $1.5M settlement

I almost spit out my coffee this A.M. when I saw that on the CNN scroll. Dude attacks a cop sitting in his car - proven by DNA and ballistics evidence - gets killed by the cop (who was exonerated).....the DOJ says his civil rights were NOT violated.....and still gets a settlement!?!?!?!?

City of Ferguson pays out big money to settle Michael Brown wrongful death suit
Sara Gonzales Jun 23, 2017 1:54 pm


City of Ferguson pays out big money to settle Michael Brown wrongful death suit
The city of Ferguson paid $1.5 million in the settlement of the wrongful death lawsuit filed by the family of Michael Brown. Brown, 18, was shot by police in August 2014, which sparked to protests in the city.
The city attorney for Ferguson, Missouri, has disclosed the settlement amount in the wrongful death lawsuit filed by the family of Michael Brown.

Attorney Apollo Carey told The Associated Press Friday that the city’s insurance company paid the family $1.5 million to settle the lawsuit. The settlement was first announced Tuesday, but figures of the settlement had not initially been disclosed.

The 18-year-old Brown, who was black, was fatally shot in August 2014 by white Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson. Though Brown was unarmed, credible witnesses during the grand jury trial said 6-foot-5, 289 pound Brown charged Officer Wilson, who fired 12 shots at Brown, critically wounding him several times.

The Obama Department of Justice also concluded that Brown’s civil rights were not violated by Wilson in a report that cast serious doubts on the “hands up, don’t shoot” narrative.
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Old 06-24-2017, 08:47 PM   #46
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What's the % of the time where deep pockets settle?
That's really not relevant, since your claim was "always" and we know that's not correct. Often, deep pockets can simply outspend the plaintiffs, and the plaintiffs know that they can't afford to take a case to court, so suits don't even get filed. However, you are close to correct, in that most cases that do get filed end up getting settled.

Here's an older (2008) NYT article about a study. You have to sift through it, but it goes like this:

If you actually file, settlement is the most likely result.

If you refuse to settle, you lose at about the same rate, whether you're the plaintiff or defendant.

Losing, for either side, costs a lot of money.

That's a general breakdown that will vary depending upon multiple factors, but it's at least a starting point for your position.
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Old 06-24-2017, 08:50 PM   #47
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Old 06-24-2017, 09:00 PM   #48
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Old 06-24-2017, 09:03 PM   #49
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That's really not relevant, since your claim was "always" and we know that's not correct. Often, deep pockets can simply outspend the plaintiffs, and the plaintiffs know that they can't afford to take a case to court, so suits don't even get filed. However, you are close to correct, in that most cases that do get filed end up getting settled.

Here's an older (2008) NYT article about a study. You have to sift through it, but it goes like this:

If you actually file, settlement is the most likely result.

If you refuse to settle, you lose at about the same rate, whether you're the plaintiff or defendant.

Losing, for either side, costs a lot of money.

That's a general breakdown that will vary depending upon multiple factors, but it's at least a starting point for your position.
And now maybe it's starting to click that there is a problem with the criminal justice system. Michael browns parents got great lawyers because it's a high publicity case and they probably got backed and the lawyers were willing to do it for cheap. It's not just Michael brown. It's rich entitled pricks like brock Turner too. Let's not pretend he got this benefit because he's black. He got it because they could afford good lawyers. Thats ****ed up when the wrong people get excused because of good lawyers while the right people get railroaded because they can't afford a lawyer.

There are legit cases of police brutality where the family doesn't have that luxury. They can't afford a lawyer. So guess which types of people police will give less shits about when it comes to strict policing. It explains why policing is so light in rich suburbs but overzealous in poor neighborhoods. Because you can make mistakes against people who can't afford to defend themselves.

So again, we ask... Is this ****ing worth it? The amount taxpayers pay in legal fees and settlements could easily go toward better training and more police staff. But too many people corruptly profiting off of prisoners for this to ever happen.
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Old 06-24-2017, 09:13 PM   #50
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Maybe there is more policing in poor neighborhoods due to more crime?


Crazy thought. Just throwing it out there.
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Old 06-24-2017, 09:25 PM   #51
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Maybe there is more policing in poor neighborhoods due to more crime?


Crazy thought. Just throwing it out there.
Maybe much of that crime is because they imprison more people for petty offenses. It works that way too. If opioids were pursued the same way as pot, you bet crime would grow in the suburbs. But the cops won't do that because they don't want to wrongly arrest someone with money.

More policing doesn't have to mean more aggressive policing by the way. I'm certainly supportive of more boots on the ground. But it doesn't have to be this overaggressive stop and frisk, and broken windows policing bs. It obviously leads to community resentment and lawsuits. But most importantly, if one person is wrongly imprisoned because he couldn't afford to fight the charge, that's a miscarriage of justice. When it happens rampantly, its a massive failure of the system.
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Old 06-24-2017, 09:29 PM   #52
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So the justice system comes down to how people feel.

Oversensitive matriarchal society.
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Old 06-25-2017, 03:10 AM   #53
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That's really not relevant, since your claim was "always" and we know that's not correct. Often, deep pockets can simply outspend the plaintiffs, and the plaintiffs know that they can't afford to take a case to court, so suits don't even get filed. However, you are close to correct, in that most cases that do get filed end up getting settled.

Here's an older (2008) NYT article about a study. You have to sift through it, but it goes like this:

If you actually file, settlement is the most likely result.

If you refuse to settle, you lose at about the same rate, whether you're the plaintiff or defendant.

Losing, for either side, costs a lot of money.

That's a general breakdown that will vary depending upon multiple factors, but it's at least a starting point for your position.

Sure it's relevant. You've obviously never run a business...settling or out spending someone isn't a win...having to spend a shit ton of money defending yourself is never a win....it's still a loss...of money. I wasn't saying lose as in lose the case....


If 80% of cases settle

And 20% go to a jury or judge

You tell me the % of cases where a company successfully defends itself and gets made whole by getting their legal fees and expenses paid for by the plaintiff...

You and I both know that is close to zero
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Maybe there is more policing in poor neighborhoods due to more crime?


Crazy thought. Just throwing it out there.
Yes, it's amazing that cops are often seen in areas where there are more criminals.
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Old 06-25-2017, 07:25 AM   #56
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Sure it's relevant. You've obviously never run a business...settling or out spending someone isn't a win...having to spend a shit ton of money defending yourself is never a win....it's still a loss...of money. I wasn't saying lose as in lose the case....


If 80% of cases settle

And 20% go to a jury or judge

You tell me the % of cases where a company successfully defends itself and gets made whole by getting their legal fees and expenses paid for by the plaintiff...

You and I both know that is close to zero
And that is a very big problem in a justice system where payers are people with throwaway money. They're not paying out of their own pockets. They aren't using their company's money or having to show this loss to shareholders. They just charge it to the taxpayer's tab.

Even in cases where the victim is made whole, nobody actually gets punished for it. The justice system assumes throwing money at the victim solves the problem. It makes the other party whole, but it doesn't create any accountability whatsoever to the wronging party.
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Old 06-25-2017, 07:29 AM   #57
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Yes, it's amazing that cops are often seen in areas where there are more criminals.
You missed the point entirely. I have said multiple times I don't oppose more cops. I don't support extreme overaggressive policing which happens much more often in poor neighborhoods. And it isn't just because there are more criminals. It's largely because there are more citizens who can't afford to defend themselves and that's the part that's terrible and wrong.
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Insurance companies don't fight ambulance chasers to any significantly higher degree than anyone else...its just simple math usually...if it's cheaper to settle than fight, you almost always settle....they don't care about the principle or if their client did nothing wrong....they settle as cheaply as possible and try to scare their client as much as possible to kick in cash out of pocket to help settle
This is correct and obvious. Did you pay a lawyer for the info?
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Sure it's relevant. You've obviously never run a business...settling or out spending someone isn't a win...having to spend a shit ton of money defending yourself is never a win....it's still a loss...of money. I wasn't saying lose as in lose the case....


If 80% of cases settle

And 20% go to a jury or judge

You tell me the % of cases where a company successfully defends itself and gets made whole by getting their legal fees and expenses paid for by the plaintiff...

You and I both know that is close to zero
My post offered you some cover, and was fair. You were wrong, although you were also correct, and I noted that. You chose to be an asshole and an idiot in response. You responded with the stupid, and false, claim that I've "obviously never run a business", and then pulled numbers out of your ass while expecting precision from myself, on something where you know there is no definitive data. Go **** yourself. You're on your own.

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