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Old 08-10-2018, 08:17 AM  
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Trump's new Space Force may not be such a bad idea

Believe it or not, I actually like Trump's plan for a new Space Force.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson doesn't think you should mock Trump's new Space Force

In remarks delivered at the Pentagon on Thursday, Vice President Mike Pence announced plans for how the Department of Defense will approach space operations by 2020 — a newly created, sixth branch of the U.S. armed forces called the “Space Force.” This followed a space policy directive that President Donald Trump signed during a National Space Council meeting this past June.

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A Space Force has been met with a bipartisan endorsement from the chairman and ranking member of the House Armed Services Subcommittee on Strategic Forces, possible opposition from members of Trump’s own Cabinet, and outright hostility from certain members of the left:




Although a segment of the scientific community has been vocally opposed to a Space Force, the sentiment is not universal. Neil deGrasse Tyson, host of Cosmos and an outspoken science advocate, explained to Yahoo Entertainment why the idea of a Space Force shouldn’t immediately be mocked. (Watch above.)

‘A Space Force is not a crazy idea…’

“Just because an idea came out of Trump’s mouth does not have to mean it’s crazy,” Tyson cautioned. “A Space Force is an idea that’s been around, actually, for several decades as our space assets have grown. And the assets we, as Americans, have in space is almost incalculable at this point. Not so much the value of the satellites themselves but the value of the commerce that they enable.

“Look at GPS, for example,” he continued. “Hundreds of billions of dollars of industry relies on this now. So as any good military, wisely constructed military would have as its mission, it is to protect your assets. A Space Force is not a crazy idea with regard to that. What would they do? They would protect us from asteroids that might want to render us extinct. I can guarantee you if the dinosaurs had a Space Force, they’d still be here today.”

‘We’re not shaping a message just to fit what may be some prevailing political winds…’
In 2014, Tyson relaunched Cosmos , the science series originated by Carl Sagan, to much acclaim. The series earned four Emmys and a Peabody Award. A second season, subtitled Possible Worlds, will air in 2019.

Since the first season began while President Barack Obama was still in office, we asked Tyson if the show will change in any way to reflect the new political atmosphere.

“Scientific truths are true whether or not you believe in them,” Tyson answered. “If you present the world and the universe as it is, as informed by the methods and tools of science, it may be received differently between one administration or one generation and the next, but we’re not shaping a message just to fit what may be some prevailing political winds. It is the political winds that will react in whatever way they feel they must to the message of urgency about how knowledge and understanding of how the world works and what our place is in the world can be brought to bear on making a better world.”

‘However divided it feels that is, it’s not nearly divided as it was twice in one century’

Tyson prefers looking at the big picture about science and society. “We’re living longer,” he said. “We understand health better. Whether you act on that is something else. You don’t have major institutions endorsing slavery anymore. There’s a huge dialogue regarding the rights and liberties of women and underrepresented people of the world. There’s an era where that simply wasn’t the case. I hate to say this as though it’s some compliment to give ourselves, but we haven’t had a world war in 70 years. However divided it feels that is, it’s not nearly divided as it was twice in one century within 40 years of one another.

“So while we still have a long way to go, I devote some of my energy reflecting on how bad things once were. It’s easy to forget, the things that we take for granted, the advances that we’ve made in our understanding of what it is to treat one another, to be healthy, what to eat, what not to eat. And so, yeah, I think we’re better. That’s my long answer.”
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:58 AM   #31
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Explain it.

If you say "not me', you're again just making an asinine 'not all' argument.

If YOU or BABY LEE never called for a reduction in NASA's budget, then fine. That has NOTHING to do with what I'm saying.

That doesn't change anything about which side of the isle attacks NASA more frequently.

Is it also bad to say Conservatives oppose accepted climate science? Can I only speak in universal terms? Do numbers and patterns not matter? Oh, sure.. democrats are pro choice... but what... some of them are NOT pro choice, so now where the **** are we?

This is pedantic as **** guys.
How do you think you're trying to make your points? It's certainly not with any data driven points, after all. Instead, you're making unproven, and very possibly incorrect assertions, like

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The majority of complaints and calls for abolishment and investment reduction regarding NASA do, in fact, come mostly from conservatives.
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I've seen people on here talk about how 'pointless' it is.
as an avenue towards bitching about how we don't know the location of every theoretically possible piece of space dust floating in the firmament.

So let me try pointing out the obvious.

Being skeptical of NASA when it's fudging climate data, failing to produce a re-usable ship for human transportation into space, and basically playing politics instead of getting shit done is not the same as not giving a **** about what's happening beyond the immediate atmosphere of Mother Earth.
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Old 08-10-2018, 11:14 AM   #32
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There are already space related programs strewn throughout our Navy and our Airforce (in particular). Why not consolidate these programs under a single command and get them out of the shadows.
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Old 08-10-2018, 11:34 AM   #33
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The hostiles are peer or leader in GPS denial. Doesn't matter if you call it Space Force or Flying Spaghetti Shield there are very real and imminent threats that we must actively address for the security of our nation.
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Old 08-10-2018, 11:35 AM   #34
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Well, we keep cutting NASA funding and I've seen people on here talk about how 'pointless' it is.

It's funny... conservatives spent years saying NASA is wasting money (even though they're the most cost efficient program our government has) but now that Trump wants a space force, we need to invest more money!
I don't know if I have done it on here, but I am one of those conservatives that thinks NASA is a HUGE waste of money. It might be a bigger waste of money than food stamps for liberals, but I'm not sure there, I would need to think that one over Don't get me wrong, I love watching the science channel and love the photos/film of space. But damn, how much does it really cost to take a pic of Jupiter

But I don't fit the mold for the idea that if Trump likes it, I like it. My biggest beef with Trump currently is his uncontrolled spending. He wastes money at a pace that would/should make a liberal blush.

But, I know this thing will happen. All presidents try to find something to cement their names in the history books. I just wish they would quit standing on the throats of the American taxpayer to do it
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Old 08-10-2018, 11:48 AM   #35
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I don't know if I have done it on here, but I am one of those conservatives that thinks NASA is a HUGE waste of money. It might be a bigger waste of money than food stamps for liberals, but I'm not sure there, I would need to think that one over Don't get me wrong, I love watching the science channel and love the photos/film of space. But damn, how much does it really cost to take a pic of Jupiter

But I don't fit the mold for the idea that if Trump likes it, I like it. My biggest beef with Trump currently is his uncontrolled spending. He wastes money at a pace that would/should make a liberal blush.

But, I know this thing will happen. All presidents try to find something to cement their names in the history books. I just wish they would quit standing on the throats of the American taxpayer to do it
IMO, there's wasteful, . . . and then there's wasteful.

Bad wasteful, for me, is investing in noncompetitive technology for crony capitalist or otherwise corrupt reasons to reinforce the narrative that government is 'doing things . . . for YOU.'

But OTOH, a bedrock of our progress as a species has been the leisure and imperative to devote time and effort to mastery of fundamental and complicated physical and creative processes.

We need people with the brainpower and security of life's essentials to doggedly pursue the truths of the universe. So much of what we enjoy every day in our lives comes directly from our reach for the stars and our efforts to understand every facet of existence. And you never know when those breakthroughs will come, . . so you keep reaching.
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:56 PM   #36
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Old 08-10-2018, 12:58 PM   #37
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It does kind of make sense for the Air Force to control space for obvious reasons..
Not really. Naval Aviators are the best. They'll outfly Airforce and Marine Corps pilots every time.

Not to mention, as everyone knows, Star Fleet originated from the Navy.
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We need people with the brainpower and security of life's essentials to doggedly pursue the truths of the universe. So much of what we enjoy every day in our lives comes directly from our reach for the stars and our efforts to understand every facet of existence. And you never know when those breakthroughs will come, . . so you keep reaching.
Incredibly well said, boiled it right down to the essence
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:54 PM   #40
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Old 08-10-2018, 09:26 PM   #41
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I don't know if I have done it on here, but I am one of those conservatives that thinks NASA is a HUGE waste of money. It might be a bigger waste of money than food stamps for liberals, but I'm not sure there, I would need to think that one over Don't get me wrong, I love watching the science channel and love the photos/film of space. But damn, how much does it really cost to take a pic of Jupiter

But I don't fit the mold for the idea that if Trump likes it, I like it. My biggest beef with Trump currently is his uncontrolled spending. He wastes money at a pace that would/should make a liberal blush.

But, I know this thing will happen. All presidents try to find something to cement their names in the history books. I just wish they would quit standing on the throats of the American taxpayer to do it



I think he plans to make China pay for it.
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Old 08-10-2018, 11:20 PM   #42
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Maybe, just maybe, we should stop letting people freely flow into our country illegally so we can actually take care of the actual ****ing citizens.
I wonder what President Reagan's views were on that subject?

Oh wait, we don't have to wonder:

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Ronald Reagan was profoundly pro-immigration and cared deeply about individual freedom. His vision of America was as a “shining city on a hill.” In his farewell address to the nation as president, Reagan declared, “I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity.”

Ronald Reagan closed the thought by adding, “And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here.” Donald Trump wants to keep people out by building a wall, a great big wall. The contrast between the two men could not be greater.
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That was back in a time when America truly was great. How we have fallen.
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Old 08-10-2018, 11:24 PM   #43
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Old 08-10-2018, 11:35 PM   #44
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Well, we obviously would need weaponry in space but truthfully I just thought they'd go the route of most sci-fi type shows, like star wars with the Imperial Navy. You have the Navy as the large carrier vessels in space, just like we have aircraft carriers on earth, and you have fighter craft that fly off of those. Obviously as we become more robust in our space endeavors, a water locked Navy tends to become obsolete. We just have Navy vessels in orbit around earth or on actual stations and we can move them into orbital positions for attacks, etc. way faster than we could with our current ships, etc. I don't really care if it's called Space Force. The name just kind of sounds dumb but I don't really care, I don't think it's a bad idea. Reagan did have the whole Star Wars defense thing in the 80s as well. I'm generally in favor of spending money on things if it is putting us at a better strategic advantage in the future, not just militarily but economically as well.
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