Chiefs How would YOU try to improve the defense? - Page 4

UChieffyBugger · 05:12 PM

Amid all the hysteria over our two wins and offensive performances, I'm just wondering what can realistically be done to improve the defense? Now we know Berry will hopefully be returning soon which should be massive, but with the way this offense is looking, just a slight improvement on defense could take us to the promise land yall. So does Veach sit, be patient and hope Berry is enough to improve things? Should he get on the phone and beg Breeland to join the kingdom? Or should he seek to make a trade of some sort?

I think I'd probably go with trying to get Breeland in and with Berry added to the mix I think the unit would be vastly improved.

...Breeland...Berry...Parker...Fuller...

With Nelson In the slot. Surely that would be enough?

htismaqe · 09-16-2018, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CupidStunt

LOL, well we could go around in circles on this subject. We do not blitz enough, but obviously I'm not saying it would fix everything. Nothing would -- WE SUCK.

This is a minimum 2 full offseason rebuild, and that's if we dedicate a lot to it (which I'm assuming we will...not many holes on offense). We need literally two starting DL, 2 rushers and an entire secondary. Literally 4 goddamn starters.

On this, we absolutely agree.

CupidStunt · 09-16-2018, 05:55 PM

To add, obviously a 4-3 makes more sense with a new DC. We don't have any ****ing personnel for a 3-4. Every project DL guy we take isn't suited for either 34 DE or OLB. Tear it down, build around Jones as a DT and Hitchens as our MLB. 34 has basically never worked for us, ever. We've always been terrible against the run and similar vs the pass outside of Houston's monster season.

Chris Meck · 09-16-2018, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CupidStunt

LOL, well we could go around in circles on this subject. We do not blitz enough, but obviously I'm not saying it would fix everything. Nothing would -- WE SUCK.

This is a minimum 2 full offseason rebuild, and that's if we dedicate a lot to it (which I'm assuming we will...not many holes on offense). We need literally two starting DL, 2 rushers and an entire secondary. Literally 4 goddamn starters.

this is true while it's possible that some of the young-uns may develop. Still; what they're doing ain't working. Why not at least be aggressive?

chiefzilla1501 · 09-16-2018, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

I never understood the strategy of getting all those "thumpers". It's not 1995. Of course teams are going to see those "thumpers" and pass the shit out of the ball. Especially since they know we can score at will.

We should have been heavy on getting corners, safeties, and pass rushers that don't run 5 second 40s. Everytime I see Speaks, I think Veach might not know what he's doing.
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It's really hard to say. The problem is veach went grocery shopping for probably the wrong cook. If Reid and veach wanted to get bigger, then go out and get a DC who will get your team to play bigger. Instead we're forcing big guys into nickel dime all the time and these guys are shitting the bed with tackling which reflects on coaching. Either veach is right and he has the wrong DC, or Sutton is right and veach should have loaded him with DBs.

Unfortunately I think we all know ths best solution is to can Sutton and bring in players to suit that new defense. I just hope we didn't pigeonhole ourselves into a scheme because we started rebuilding this year. I just don't understand the thought behind keeping a 70 year old DC who struggled last year when it was a perfect perfect opportunity to bring in a fresh face.

**Bob Dole** · 09-16-2018, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

That was a very small sample size greatly helped by PIT shooting themselves in the foot. I sure would like to see actual footage of the penalty taking away the TD though. Scandrick didn't seem too upset though. Seemed like he knew it was the right call.

The “right call” is the one that had no impact on the actual play and lead to a 14 point swing.

Ok

htismaqe · 09-16-2018, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

except that's not true. Literally every stop we got today was rushing more than 3. One sack, but a lot of pressures and rushed throws.

They rushed 3 on Bailey's sack. He broke a double to get there.

htismaqe · 09-16-2018, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

this is true while it's possible that some of the young-uns may develop. Still; what they're doing ain't working. Why not at least be aggressive?

Because they have been aggressive and it doesn't work either.

htismaqe · 09-16-2018, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's really hard to say. The problem is veach went grocery shopping for probably the wrong cook. If Reid and veach wanted to get bigger, then go out and get a DC who will get your team to play bigger. Instead we're forcing big guys into nickel dime all the time and these guys are shitting the bed with tackling which reflects on coaching. Either veach is right and he has the wrong DC, or Sutton is right and veach should have loaded him with DBs.

Unfortunately I think we all know ths best solution is to can Sutton and bring in players to suit that new defense. I just hope we didn't pigeonhole ourselves into a scheme because we started rebuilding this year. I just don't understand the thought behind keeping a 70 year old DC who struggled last year when it was a perfect perfect opportunity to bring in a fresh face.

You don't think Reid, Veach, and Sutton are on the same page regarding what type of personnel they want? LOL

Chris Meck · 09-16-2018, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

They rushed 3 on Bailey's sack. He broke a double to get there.

You are correct. He shoved the OL right back into Ben's face.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-16-2018, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You don't think Reid, Veach, and Sutton are on the same page regarding what type of personnel they want? LOL

I think Reid defers a lot of defense to the DC, and Sutton can't adjust to the way the game is going. It's not like this is the first time Reid has had a struggling DC. I like what Sutton has done for us in the past, but he looks just plain lost. And blaming talent can only take you so far.

htismaqe · 09-16-2018, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You are correct. He shoved the OL right back into Ben's face.

The players have to make plays. Fire Sutton, don't fire Sutton. It simply doesn't matter and it won't make a bit of difference until the 11 guys on the field get their heads out.

NJChiefsFan · 09-16-2018, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole

The “right call” is the one that had no impact on the actual play and lead to a 14 point swing.

Ok

Penalties get called all the time that have no impact on the play. The rule book doesn't allow you to just ignore it because it didn't matter. The ref also doesn't know in the moment that it doesn't matter.

Look I want to see a replay as much as anyone. If it's a crap call then I'm all for the cries of foul. But the argument that it didn't affect the play has no impact on defensive holding decisions and it shouldn't.

Nobody has actually seen the play to know what the right call was.

Chris Meck · 09-16-2018, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Because they have been aggressive and it doesn't work either.

I disagree. I think they're much more successful when they're aggressive than when they're not. First quarter and fourth quarter today, for example. They ate us alive in between.

OKchiefs · 09-16-2018, 06:02 PM

Not sure the draft will help, because apparently we don't even play the guys we draft (O'Daniel, Speaks).

Chris Meck · 09-16-2018, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The players have to make plays. Fire Sutton, don't fire Sutton. It simply doesn't matter and it won't make a bit of difference until the 11 guys on the field get their heads out.

Yes and no. I just think a big part of the problem is not putting guys in a position to be successful.

It's true that there are problems with tackling and the secondary is suspect. I don't know why we are relying on them then to cover for 8 seconds at a time.

It's cool, we just disagree.

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UChieffyBugger CP'S "MOST HATED" 😆 Join Date: Feb 2018 Casino cash: $2710400	How would YOU try to improve the defense? Amid all the hysteria over our two wins and offensive performances, I'm just wondering what can realistically be done to improve the defense? Now we know Berry will hopefully be returning soon which should be massive, but with the way this offense is looking, just a slight improvement on defense could take us to the promise land yall. So does Veach sit, be patient and hope Berry is enough to improve things? Should he get on the phone and beg Breeland to join the kingdom? Or should he seek to make a trade of some sort? I think I'd probably go with trying to get Breeland in and with Berry added to the mix I think the unit would be vastly improved. ...Breeland...Berry...Parker...Fuller... With Nelson In the slot. Surely that would be enough? Last edited by UChieffyBugger; 09-16-2018 at 05:12 PM..
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CupidStunt offense > defense Join Date: Jul 2005 Casino cash: $2613332	To add, obviously a 4-3 makes more sense with a new DC. We don't have any ****ing personnel for a 3-4. Every project DL guy we take isn't suited for either 34 DE or OLB. Tear it down, build around Jones as a DT and Hitchens as our MLB. 34 has basically never worked for us, ever. We've always been terrible against the run and similar vs the pass outside of Houston's monster season.
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