The Dark Knight Rises *Spoilers* Thread

[mdchiefsfan]

For anyone who has seen the movie and wants to discuss it.

[RockChalk]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Just because this is Nolan's vision of the Batman universe should not give him the right to just hack out and completely change characters that fans (what should be his target audience) have known for years.

People such as yourself are not Nolan's target. He wasn't after the 35-year old man still living in his parents basement surrounded by thousands upon thousands of comic books, pizza boxes, and diet coke cans. Begins and TDK should have provided enough indication for you that Nolan had no intentions of staying perfectly true to the comics.

Of the fans you reference, I'd guess that only about 5% of people who watch TDKR follow the comics and know the back story of the characters. Those 5%, of which you are included, can be disappointed and cry to each other on your comic book forum. Sure, the movie had some plot-holes, but I don't think it took away one damn thing from how good of a conclusion this was. The remaining 95% of us can enjoy that Nolan put together one hell of series, with a conclusion that I (and most everyone who saw it) found to be quite enjoyable.

[jiveturkey]

Should I be pissed that Nolan didn't stick to the Arkham video games?

Most of my Batman knowledge is from previous movies, the cartoon from the 90's and the Arkham video games.

This may have been covered but I'm guessing that they left it hanging so that someone else can take over while Nolan stays on as producer??? Or not because Robin might be a pretty boring movie.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Especially when he was asking bane where the trigger was in the end. It was baddddd.

I always thought the voice sucked, but maybe that part could be explained away by emotion.

[Silock]

Comic books themselves rewrite origin stories and tinker with back stories all the time. No sure why anyone would be more pissed at a movie for doing the exact same thing.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

hell, it's not like Nolan made him gay or anything.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

Especially when he was asking bane where the trigger was in the end. It was baddddd.

"Where's the trigger?" sounded a lot like Buffalo Bill's "You don't know what pain is!" to the chubby chick in the pit near the end of "Silence Of The Lambs".

I honestly don't mind Christian Bale's growling. I mean, he's supposed to be a dark avenging creature of the night. Should he lisp? Keaton already did the whispery thing in the Burton "Batman". Should he just talk regular? Then he'd seem silly, like Adam West.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

hell, it's not like Nolan made him gay or anything.

"Quick, Robin! To the Batpole! And don't forget the Bat-Lube and the Bat-Tissues."

[Hammock Parties]

First 30 minutes were feeling really dodgy to me, and then it got really strong and finished STRONGER.

AMAZING.

And I really thought he was dead, what a great ending.

Shit, might have been even better if they had just showed Alfred smiling into the camera and cut to black.

****ING BEST THIRD MOVIE IN A TRILOGY EVER.

And Bane walking around like Darth Vader was awesome.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Toad King

First 30 minutes were feeling really dodgy to me, and then it got really strong and finished STRONGER.

AMAZING.

And I really thought he was dead, what a great ending.

Shit, might have been even better if they had just showed Alfred smiling into the camera and cut to black.

As I stated upon my initial viewing, the film feels more like the middle chapter of a book; it dives right into the plot, with lots of dialogue, and you have to figure it out. "Wait, what? He's been gone for 8 years? He's a recluse? What's with the cane?" Once you sort things out it pulls you in.

As for the ending, I agree that a smiling Alfred would've been great, but the "common people" really had to see Bale. At my midnight opening, the whole theater was pindrop silent all film, until that reveal of Bane and Hathaway at the table, and then they roared; it was as close to the Great Movie Roar* as I've yet to experience.

*The original 1977 theater showing of "Star Wars", when the Death Star exploded... Even though I was a child, I vividly remember it... After it blew up, and Obi-Wan said "The Force will be with you... always", people were STILL cheering.

[CoMoChief]

Joker and Bane were SUCH better villians than the gay Scarecrow.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DBOSHO

The scene where bane fought batman and broke his back was almost sad to watch. It was unbelievable to see batman practically powerless.

Almost like watching your dog die.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by JD10367

At my midnight opening, the whole theater was pindrop silent all film, until that reveal of Bane and Hathaway at the table, and then they roared; it was as close to the Great Movie Roar* as I've yet to experience.

And again I kick myself for skipping a midnight showing.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Was I the only one that thought the movie was going to abruptly end when Alfred looked up at the cafe?

I think a Sopranos-like ending would have been incredible.

I actually thought it was gonna end right there, and that was Alfred coming to terms with Bruce's death.

And then OHMIGODBATMANISSTILLALIVESQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Also, for those unhappy with the speed of that recovery, note that for time-compression purposes they didn't actually say his back was broken, but that he ultimately had a protruding vertebrae (hence the reason he could rehab in 5 months).

How does Batman's back mend in the comics?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yep. I made a point to pay close attention during my second viewing tonight.

He couldn't have dropped it in the bay, as JD just pointed out.

So that leaves two options:

Spoiler!

Either he bailed out at some point over the water, and let auto-pilot take over. Unlikely he'd survive considering it's winter-time, the rivers were iced over, the water in the bay would be freezing.

Or, he bailed just after struggling to gain enough altitude to clear that building (was the Bat Lucious took the EMP out of on top of this building?) with the explosion (Blake's "it's starting" comment on bridge") creating a diversion for the switch?

Again, maybe I'm off base here, but I really think there are three Bats.

1.) After the Wall Street scene, Bruce comes back to Wayne Manor in a Bat, and parks it in the cave.

2.) The next time we see a Bat, it's parked on the roof of a building - the Bat Fox takes the EMP out of.

3.) There is a gray, unpainted Bat in Applied Sciences in the beginning of the movie, and this appears to be the same Bat that techs are looking at with Fox at the end - they claim the auto-pilot software was patched 6 months ago.

All three could have been in play. We know at least two of them were.

The only other thing I can think of if he didn't physically switch Bats is that he flew out to sea, and the cockpit itself broke into a smaller vehicle, much like the BatPod did when the Tumbler was incapacitated. He then flew off, letting the auto-pilot take over for what was left of the Bat.

You'd have to think someone would notice this though, which makes me think he bailed earlier, potentially under the cover of that exploding building.

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