Chiefs Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 - Page 18

Direckshun · 03-04-2013, 11:04 PM

Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had.

Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway).

So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall.

HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls.

Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess.

They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer.

While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE.

In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term.

Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.

**RealSNR** · 03-05-2013, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Does your position depend on whether or not Dorsey and Jackson return, or are you just opposed to DL on principle at this point?

A little of both.

We've done nothing but defensive linemen in the first round since 2008. Yes, that's getting tiring, but what's even more confusing is our hit rate. It's zero percent at this point. The Chiefs haven't drafted a DT in the first worth a shit since Neil Smith.

We really need to back off the defensive linemen in the first. A possible solution the Chiefs haven't even TRIED is by bringing in free agents to the DL. Veterans who still have stuff left in the tank (Kelly Gregg shouldn't count). Cullen Jenkins is old, but he doesn't appear to have slowed down much at all. He would be ideal at least for this year. Maybe two, and possibly more. Get Poe an opportunity to work alongside somebody who actually knows what the **** they're doing for once. Who knows, maybe that's just what he needs to take off?

I notice Mecca brought up leadership as a problem on the defense and pointed to the linebackers. Bullshit. Put it on the defensive line. We haven't had a true vocal leader on the defensive line in forever. And I simply don't believe that guy can be found at the top of this draft or many others. I see the exact same shit in these guys that I do in our current highly drafted starters: strong, powerful, good motor, ZERO pass rush moves and ZERO versatility. Poe is the first exception to that, but he's got a long ways to go.

**RealSNR** · 03-05-2013, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Taking a CB there doesn't bother me if the talent is elite.

Milliner isn't elite. A player at or above his ability is available in EVERY draft.

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 01:29 AM

I think Dane needs to seek therapy. My God.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Milliner isn't elite. A player at or above his ability is available in EVERY draft.

Eh after his combine I'd say his talent level is right there at elite.

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

A little of both.

We've done nothing but defensive linemen in the first round since 2008. Yes, that's getting tiring, but what's even more confusing is our hit rate. It's zero percent at this point. The Chiefs haven't drafted a DT in the first worth a shit since Neil Smith.

We really need to back off the defensive linemen in the first. A possible solution the Chiefs haven't even TRIED is by bringing in free agents to the DL. Veterans who still have stuff left in the tank (Kelly Gregg shouldn't count). Cullen Jenkins is old, but he doesn't appear to have slowed down much at all. He would be ideal at least for this year. Maybe two, and possibly more. Get Poe an opportunity to work alongside somebody who actually knows what the **** they're doing for once. Who knows, maybe that's just what he needs to take off?

I notice Mecca brought up leadership as a problem on the defense and pointed to the linebackers. Bullshit. Put it on the defensive line. We haven't had a true vocal leader on the defensive line in forever. And I simply don't believe that guy can be found at the top of this draft or many others. I see the exact same shit in these guys that I do in our current highly drafted starters: strong, powerful, good motor, ZERO pass rush moves and ZERO versatility. Poe is the first exception to that, but he's got a long ways to go.

You bring in Canty and possibly a richard seymour if jackson is cut.

**RealSNR** · 03-05-2013, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by penbook

You bring in Canty and possibly a richard seymour if jackson is cut.

I prefer Jenkins to either of those guys.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I think Dane needs to seek therapy. My God.

You're still as bright as ever, Hootie

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're still as bright as ever, Hootie

I'm worried about you man. Good luck. I hope you find the help you need.

**Anyong Bluth** · 03-05-2013, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, his stock has not been rising.

I can link to multiple reports that say he's a second rounder in any other year.

Google is your friend.

This has to be a joke and simply taking up the opposing position for reaction's sake. That said, I'll go no further than to ask for the supposed “bounty" of links you have amassed supporting your assertion.

**RealSNR** · 03-05-2013, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Eh after his combine I'd say his talent level is right there at elite.

I've never seen an elite corner struggle with backpedaling.

Milliner is a guy you consider after a trade down. Not at #1 overall.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 01:35 AM

Why are you guys jumping on Dane anyway?

Hootie · 03-05-2013, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Why are you guys jumping on Dane anyway?

he's batshit crazy

he needs some meds

penbrook · 03-05-2013, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I prefer Jenkins to either of those guys.

Yes but you can get seymour and canty the same price as you would Jenkins.

Mecca · 03-05-2013, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

he's batshit crazy

he needs some meds

Well why is he crazy, what did he do?

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-05-2013, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

I'm worried about you man. Good luck. I hope you find the help you need.

Yeah, I need help because I don't believe that there's a chance in hell that the Chiefs will take a QB at #1 overall.

I didn't realize that you were as brainwashed as the rest.

03-04-2013, 11:04 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4403447	Late night bullshit: drafting Geno now? Almost as big a coup as getting Montana in 93 Andy Reid has long been capable of thinking outside the box, and his track record backs that up. But acquiring Alex Smith for two 2nds for the sole purpose of giving the #1 overall guy time to develop would be among the most ambitious ideas he's ever had. Nonetheless, I believe the Chiefs could be shifting in that direction. They've clung to WR Dwayne Bowe, they've tagged LT Branden Albert, they're on the verge of signing CB Sean Smith to start across from Flowers, and they have reached out to DE/DT Chris Canty (and in my hypothetical, as we've all long believed, Poe's talents might be better suited at DE anyway). So it becomes official, then: unless the Chiefs do not actually find a single starting-caliber DE, they are simply not drafting to plug a hole with the #1 overall pick. Therefore, they can simply make the pick that helps them the most in the long run -- because if there is a single pick in the NFL Draft that should be made with the long run exclusively in mind, it's the first overall. HC Andy Reid and GM John Dorsey talked down the QBs in this draft for weeks ever since they were ushered in by team owner Clark Hunt. But that was before the Combine, which had to have been a game changer. New WRs coach David Culley was on the turf at the RCA Dome as he asked all the QBs to throw very specific passes, one after another, to the WRs he was observing. And what was supposed to be a drill to determine WR talent actually determined the QB position once and for all. Quick outs, deep post runs, back shoulder bombs... All of the QBs had some good throws, most of them had off throws, and a good number of them were just terrible. Only one QB really separated himself with Croyle-esque darts on the short throws and beautiful Rodgers-esque accuracy on the deep balls. Every pass. "Good throw!" "Great throw!" "Now that's a pass!" With a Chiefs coach literally five feet from him, Geno hit every single pass he was asked to deliver, on rhythm. Is there any doubt Culley raved to Reid when they convened later that afternoon? It had to immediately make them reassess. They had long known this guy was not a world beater at West Virginia. He was a machine some games but lacked the drive to will his team to victories in other games. And West Virginia's coaching staff is said to be one of the least friendly and hospitable to NFL personnel in terms of sharing in formation. But with no filter between them and Geno, they saw his tools -- he was athletic, healthy, good natured, strong, and lest there be any doubt: one hell of a passer. While they weren't sure that this guy is the future of the Chiefs, they became more willing than ever to find out. They made an incredibly aggressive move to lock down Alex Smith so Geno could ostensibly feel zero pressure as the Chiefs staff begins to groom him, all the while Alex Smith keeps the Chiefs competitive and helps Geno's apparent need to better absorb coaching (thanks, Mariucci). They made sure that any Chiefs QB for the next five years has the best WR in team history to throw to, and locked down Albert for the year, and hopefully for years beyond. Meanwhile, they made aggressive, potentially illegal moves to fill the teams neediest positions at CB and DE. In short, Andy Reid came to Kansas City because he knew the talent was already amazing, save for one shitty exception at the team's most important position, and he used the best leverage he had at his disposal to fix it in the short and long term. Should Andy Reid land this pick, he will perhaps have landed the team's biggest coup since Carl Peterson traded for Joe Montana in 1993.
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