So tired of seeing Brees4MVP

[dlphg9]

Yes, another MVP thread. I am selfish and wanted to have my own. It's starting to get a bit annoying with idiot Saints fans and idiot media personalities thinking that Drew Brees deserves the MVP. I did a little break down of the two from this year and it made it even more clear that Mahomes is light years ahead of Drew.

Anyone that thinks Brees is even in the conversation for MVP is a complete idiot. 4 straight games of 203 or less yards, 4 straight games with an interception, 3 straight games with 1 or less passing tds. Alex Smith puts up better numbers than that and he isn't even close to an MVP. Brees has the number 7 scoring defense. A defense that has held their opponent to 20 or less points a game in 10 out of 14 games, so lets not act like Brees is the reason that team is winning.

Patrick Mahomes on the other hand is on pace to have the 2nd best season by a quarterback in history. More than likely he is going to pass for 50 td passes, something only Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have done. It took Brady 7 years to do it and Manning 16 seasons to do it. Mahomes is probably going to do it in just his first starting season. Hes also on pace for around 5200 yards, so in his first season as a starter he will have a better season than Drew Brees and Tom Brady have ever had, both have been starting for 17 years. So Brees has the number 7 defense to help him out, but Mahomes isn't that fortunate. He has the number 28 scoring defense. So lets quit acting like Brees has to do everything to help that team win. Any mediocre QB could be on that team and they would win. You want to say that Alex did very well with this team last year. Alex is a decent qb, but take a look at his numbers when a the opponent scores 24+ points (9-42-1). The reason that matters is because the Chiefs Defense has allowed 24 or more points in 8 out of 14 games this year. Thankfully the Chiefs have a stud at qb and is 5-3 in those games.

So the case some people are arguing for Drew Brees. Oh he has a 74.9 completion percent!!1!!! The list of highest single season completion percentages isn't filled with many great QBs, the top 20 list has only has 5 HoF qbs on it and is littered with mediocre QBs, like Sam Bradford, Ken Anderson, Kirk Cousins, Tony Romo, Brian Grese. Only 2 QBs that have won MVP had the highest completion percentage that year, Young and Montana, but Young was also first in TDs and 4th in YDs and Montana was 4th in TDs, 8th in YDs, and was 11-2 as a starter. Some really mediocre qbs have had pretty high completion percentage, so I wouldn't try to back an argument with that stat. Well what about the number of Ints? Well that isn't a MVP worthy stat either. The list of guys who have the least amount of Ints in a season is littered with guys that didn't amount to anything. Hell Steve Deberg has the 2nd lowest ints in a season and Alex Smith had 5 in a season with the 49ers.

Now the case for Patrick Mahomes. He is 1st in TD passes (11 more than 2nd place) and only 5 TDs away from being only the 3rd QB to get to 50. In the top 6 most passing TDs 5 of the players won the MVP that year. The lone exception is in 2011 Drew Brees had 46 passing TDs (good for the 5th most ever) and lost the MVP to Aaron Rodgers who just happened to have 45 TD passes (tied for 6th most ever with Patrick Mahomes). He is also 1st in passing yards and is 88 yards ahead of 2nd place. You would think that having the most yards and touchdowns would mean he would have the most passing attempts, well you would be wrong. He is currently 6th in passing attempts, 64 attempts from Big Ben who has thrown the most passes so far. He also has the 12th best completion percentage at 67.1, which is pretty damn good.

Both players lead the top team in their division. The Saints only have 1 more win than the Chiefs, the Saints have played the 15th hardest schedule and the Chiefs have played the 8th hardest schedule. The Saints' defense is ranked 7th in ppg and the Chiefs is ranked 28th in ppg. So it really just blows my mind how anyone can look at the stats and say that Drew Brees deserves the MVP over Patrick Mahomes.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Every poll I see has Mahomes far in the lead, the hell you talking about




edit: This is from ESPN, today.

"Is now", he should have always been the favorite to win. It took Brees 3 straight garbage games to get bumped. If he has 2 big games they will push for him to win no matter what Mahomes does.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Mennonite

Why do people think announcers fluffing players in the game they are covering are showing some sort of bias? It's their job to pump up the game. You're not gonna get a lot of "Your team sucks this year,fans. You should turn this shitfest off and watch some of our competitor's awesome new shows" commentary.

So take the Brees mvp chatter with a grain of salt when it's coming from guys covering a Saints game.

I didn't even watch the game. It's people on facebook, people in the media. It's not an announcer trying to fluff their game

[Marcellus]

Jesus people, Vegas has already shifted the odds way in favor of Mahomes.

Barring a major meltdown it’s already a done deal.

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Jesus people, Vegas has already shifted the odds way in favor of Mahomes.

Barring a major meltdown it’s already a done deal.

Considering his dad said "he's a dangerous man" right now, I think we are going to see epic performances from Mahomes these last two regular season games.

[Yehoodi]

Brees has tapered off in his last few games. He had an opportunity to pull ahead in the MVP race but he was not able to do so. If KC secures the #1 seed then it is pretty clear it should go to Mahomes, unless he melts down and Brees takes off, in the last two weeks.

If KC falls to the #5 seed by the end of the year, the boo birds might want to give it to Brees. Although KC might be the #5, they likely will have the 2nd best record in the AFC.

Brees kind of got pushed out of the MVP in 2008 and 2009 for Manning and there be a sentiment to want to give it to him now. But i think Brees needs to make up for his poorer performance in the last few games.

[Imon Yourside]

[suzzer99]

Brees also threw an INT that was returned for 2 points last night, but that will get lost in the shuffle at the end of the year since it's not an official scrimmage play. Still costly. https://t.co/fEgRzsSgNI

— Scott Kacsmar (@FO_ScottKacsmar) December 19, 2018

Read this guy's twitter. It's pages of Mahomes 4 MVP arguments - all of them good.

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Let me guess. Shannon says Mahomes should win MVP, Skip shits on Mahomes AND Brees, says Brady should win.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Let me guess. Shannon says Mahomes should win MVP, Skip shits on Mahomes AND Brees, says Brady should win.

Close, now it's Rivers.

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Close, now it's Rivers.

Oh ok. Almost had it. Skip is ****ing ridiculous, such a hater.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Oh ok. Almost had it. Skip is ****ing ridiculous, such a hater.

This shit is as close to WWE as I get, I take pleasure in the dumbassery.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Yes, another MVP thread. I am selfish and wanted to have my own. It's starting to get a bit annoying with idiot Saints fans and idiot media personalities thinking that Drew Brees deserves the MVP. I did a little break down of the two from this year and it made it even more clear that Mahomes is light years ahead of Drew.

Anyone that thinks Brees is even in the conversation for MVP is a complete idiot. 4 straight games of 203 or less yards, 4 straight games with an interception, 3 straight games with 1 or less passing tds. Alex Smith puts up better numbers than that and he isn't even close to an MVP. Brees has the number 7 scoring defense. A defense that has held their opponent to 20 or less points a game in 10 out of 14 games, so lets not act like Brees is the reason that team is winning.

Patrick Mahomes on the other hand is on pace to have the 2nd best season by a quarterback in history. More than likely he is going to pass for 50 td passes, something only Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have done. It took Brady 7 years to do it and Manning 16 seasons to do it. Mahomes is probably going to do it in just his first starting season. Hes also on pace for around 5200 yards, so in his first season as a starter he will have a better season than Drew Brees and Tom Brady have ever had, both have been starting for 17 years. So Brees has the number 7 defense to help him out, but Mahomes isn't that fortunate. He has the number 28 scoring defense. So lets quit acting like Brees has to do everything to help that team win. Any mediocre QB could be on that team and they would win. You want to say that Alex did very well with this team last year. Alex is a decent qb, but take a look at his numbers when a the opponent scores 24+ points (9-42-1). The reason that matters is because the Chiefs Defense has allowed 24 or more points in 8 out of 14 games this year. Thankfully the Chiefs have a stud at qb and is 5-3 in those games.

So the case some people are arguing for Drew Brees. Oh he has a 74.9 completion percent!!1!!! The list of highest single season completion percentages isn't filled with many great QBs, the top 20 list has only has 5 HoF qbs on it and is littered with mediocre QBs, like Sam Bradford, Ken Anderson, Kirk Cousins, Tony Romo, Brian Grese. Only 2 QBs that have won MVP had the highest completion percentage that year, Young and Montana, but Young was also first in TDs and 4th in YDs and Montana was 4th in TDs, 8th in YDs, and was 11-2 as a starter. Some really mediocre qbs have had pretty high completion percentage, so I wouldn't try to back an argument with that stat. Well what about the number of Ints? Well that isn't a MVP worthy stat either. The list of guys who have the least amount of Ints in a season is littered with guys that didn't amount to anything. Hell Steve Deberg has the 2nd lowest ints in a season and Alex Smith had 5 in a season with the 49ers.

Now the case for Patrick Mahomes. He is 1st in TD passes (11 more than 2nd place) and only 5 TDs away from being only the 3rd QB to get to 50. In the top 6 most passing TDs 5 of the players won the MVP that year. The lone exception is in 2011 Drew Brees had 46 passing TDs (good for the 5th most ever) and lost the MVP to Aaron Rodgers who just happened to have 45 TD passes (tied for 6th most ever with Patrick Mahomes). He is also 1st in passing yards and is 88 yards ahead of 2nd place. You would think that having the most yards and touchdowns would mean he would have the most passing attempts, well you would be wrong. He is currently 6th in passing attempts, 64 attempts from Big Ben who has thrown the most passes so far. He also has the 12th best completion percentage at 67.1, which is pretty damn good.

Both players lead the top team in their division. The Saints only have 1 more win than the Chiefs, the Saints have played the 15th hardest schedule and the Chiefs have played the 8th hardest schedule. The Saints' defense is ranked 7th in ppg and the Chiefs is ranked 28th in ppg. So it really just blows my mind how anyone can look at the stats and say that Drew Brees deserves the MVP over Patrick Mahomes.

tl;dr

But you should get over yourself. Brees should be in the conversation for MVP.

[Frosty]

Watching Brees last night reminded me of P. Manning's last year. You can tell the arm just isn't there anymore and has dropped off considerably from earlier in the season. He needs to get in on whatever PEDs Brady is using.

[NJChiefsFan]

I can't get energized for individual awards. They do nothing for me interest-wise. But even if you do care, why get so worked up about it when the vote hasn't happened?

I get it's a football site and I'm all for reading your breakdowns but there are enough things that can get your blood pressure up when it comes to the chiefs.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I can't get energized for individual awards. They do nothing for me interest-wise. But even if you do care, why get so worked up about it when the vote hasn't happened?

I get it's a football site and I'm all for reading your breakdowns but there are enough things that can get your blood pressure up when it comes to the chiefs.

Do you have any idea how many cases of Dew are on the line?