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Old 07-20-2012, 02:42 AM  
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The Dark Knight Rises *Spoilers* Thread
For anyone who has seen the movie and wants to discuss it.
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:54 AM   #631
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until you learn the difference between a bulging disk and a spinal cord injury,
Until you learn the difference between a bulging disk and a bulging disc, .

A bulging disc doesn't just get knocked into place; in fact it clearly wasn't a bulging disk that Wayne had (it was, I guess, a displaced vertebra).

A bulging disc is essentially a weakening of the walls between the vertebra that hold the discs in place. As they weaken, they can no longer hold the disc in place and the compression will force the disc out of alignment. For me, it creates nerve issues and tightens all the muscles in my neck and shoulders to the point of pretty intense pain.

In either event, a bulging disc most assuredly isn't something that's just going to get punched into place. Punch your spine all day if you'd like; you'll never get close to the disc itself; you're just punching yourself in the back.

The problem is that a displaced vertebra is going to create a legitimate spinal cord injury with the amount of movement that Wayne had (the dragging, etc...).

But as previously indicated - who cares? If Nolan didn't have the "Broken bat" scene, the fanboys would've revolted. I think he did a fine job working in some canon here while also making it at least an acceptable stretching of medical truth.
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:51 AM   #632
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So, indeed, the child is mentioned first, the implication/assumption is put forth that it's Bane, and then they mention the plague/mask, and then go right back to the child story. So, clearly, unless Bane somehow grew up outside the hole, then accidentally tripped and fell back in, it's impossible for him to get beaten up and need the mask.

W: "He was the prison doctor, (and) a morphine addict... (inaudible dialogue, something about "he took care of the prisoners here" I think)... including your master, Bane. Many years ago, it was a time of plague. Some of the other prsoners attacked Bane. In the doctor's fumbling attempts to repair the damage, it left him in perpetual agony. The mask holds the pain at bay."
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Old 07-31-2012, 12:18 PM   #633
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People aren't able to pick apart great movies. It's one of the things that makes them great.
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I could spend the next few hours listing movies off the top of my head, man. I'm a big film buff. Howabout I just list my favorite films in each of the last five years?


2010: Winter's Bone
IMO, this film is good. But I wouldn't call it great.

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2007: There Will Be Blood
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469494/trivia?tab=gf


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Old 07-31-2012, 12:41 PM   #634
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I'd watch Rises over There Will Be Blood 100 times out of 100.

Self-Indulgent art-house flicks that serve to give 'film-buffs' something to jerk off to while assuaging the ego of guys like Daniel Day-Lewis without actually being, I dunno, entertaining just don't do much for me.

Movie snobs can lick my taint.
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Old 07-31-2012, 12:52 PM   #635
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IMO, this film is good. But I wouldn't call it great.



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0469494/trivia?tab=gf


Just sayin'.
To the first and third points: when I was speaking about "picking apart" I was speaking only for my own posts in this thread, which were mostly focused on how choices made in the script affected character arcs and overall film effectiveness. I haven't been up in arms in this thread over continuity errors or anachronisms. So read correctly, my post about great films not being able to be picked apart means that great films don't sacrifice character for plot machinations, or etc.

To the second point, I never exactly claimed that Winter's Bone (or for that matter, TWBB) is great. Just that it was my favorite movie of that year. I brought up favorite movies in the first place only as a way of quickly recommending some movies to the couple of posters who asked me to.
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Old 07-31-2012, 04:09 PM   #639
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Maybe a better list for this purpose would be to try and compare apples to apples. Here are some of my favorite action(ish) films from the last five years:

2011: shit, umm, Drive? Last year wasn't great for me in terms of action.
2010: True Grit? I guess crime movies like A Prophet and Animal Kingdom count too. Also, Red Cliff - the director's cut.
2009: The Hurt Locker , Inglorious Basterds, District 9
2008: Iron Man, The Dark Knight (I guess)
2007: No Country for Old Men only comes to mind. American Gangster if we're counting crime films; I have a soft spot for it.
That is a great list. So many action movies come out that just plain suck (eg Expendables, Green Lantern) it is hard to discern sometimes which will be the diamonds in the rough. For some reason True Grit is not something I have seen even though I hear good things. I guess it is because the lady doesn't like it. Although she loved Inglorious Bastards, as did I, so now do I re-watch that or True Grit. Hmm.
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until you learn the difference between a bulging disk and a spinal cord injury,
The guy said we need to put this bone that is sticking out of your back back in. Thats not a bulging disc.
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Sorry if this has been asked, I haven't seen it on here. But I saw this for the 3rd time last night & can't understand what Bane says right after "I'm Gotham's reckoning..." before he snaps that dude's neck in half. Only time that I couldn't understand him and it's bugging the crap out of me.... Help?
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Assuming I'm not getting stuff mixed up, it was in that scene, but I don't think that was the line I'm missing...



Eh, maybe I'm getting it mixed up with a different scene. I thought there was another line or 2 after "I'm Gotham's reckoning" that I missed. Guess I'll have to see it again.
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Nope, you were right, there's another line in between. I couldn't understand it fully but, after he says "I'm Gotham's reckoning", he says something like, "Here to end the (indistinguishable) that you've all been getting on" (or something like that). I'll listen better next show.
Before it got lost in all of the bullshit arguing.

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Old 07-31-2012, 06:50 PM   #642
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Until you learn the difference between a bulging disk and a bulging disc, .

A bulging disc doesn't just get knocked into place; in fact it clearly wasn't a bulging disk that Wayne had (it was, I guess, a displaced vertebra).

A bulging disc is essentially a weakening of the walls between the vertebra that hold the discs in place. As they weaken, they can no longer hold the disc in place and the compression will force the disc out of alignment. For me, it creates nerve issues and tightens all the muscles in my neck and shoulders to the point of pretty intense pain.

In either event, a bulging disc most assuredly isn't something that's just going to get punched into place. Punch your spine all day if you'd like; you'll never get close to the disc itself; you're just punching yourself in the back.

The problem is that a displaced vertebra is going to create a legitimate spinal cord injury with the amount of movement that Wayne had (the dragging, etc...).

But as previously indicated - who cares? If Nolan didn't have the "Broken bat" scene, the fanboys would've revolted. I think he did a fine job working in some canon here while also making it at least an acceptable stretching of medical truth.
I will concede that we are probably both incorrect. If Wayne had a truely broken vertebrae that was dislocated and protruding, that is never going to be fixed in a cave. That is spinal cord severing or injuring territory, and Batman would need a Batchair.

Despite what the "doctor" said, it had to have been a disk injury, perhaps a herniation, or at worst a compression fractured vertebrae. Remember, the "doctor" was obviously not very competent, otherwise Bane wouldn't have been so ****ed up.

And I can't believe that we're having this conversation....I'm out to go regain some semblance of manliness.
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Either. Some thugs break in with guns and start making trades and they have no process in place that doesnt allow the trades to go through the whole system? come on, that wasnt a suspend belief comic book/fantasy moment in the film.
Meh. Like I posted before, it isn't any more egregious than any of the other financial implications of any of the other movies. If you could let that stuff go, you could let this go. No biggie.


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Yeah, it definitely pulled me out of the movie several times. It sounded like some amateur mixed the sound. It was definitely evident in the plane.

Personally, I thought they should have had subtitles for him.
I think Bane's voice could have maybe been done better. Subtitles would have been pretty sweet. But I thought Bane's voice was pretty well done. It was really chilling. He is such a brutal fighter and so goddamn relentless. And then he has a high, very British voice. Cool, IMO.

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Ill just say this.......making a good "genre" movie is mostly about creating a believable world and then sticking to the rules you have created within that. Nolan has done a tremendous job of that.


Of course there are outlandish things that could never happen in real life. Its fiction based off a comic book.
That's where I am. The stuff people are picking apart isn't all that much different from the other films. It was much larger in scope than either one of the other two.
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It's funny that people are more upset with the implausability of the Stock Exchange scene than they are Batman escaping a nuclear blast.

Suspension of disbelief is always funny with the Superhero genre.
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