Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18

[Discuss Thrower]

Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues

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Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

Pole cumming.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

A gutsy Alex Smith would likely be a damn fine QB, would he not?

Russ is faster, more accurate, better at extending the play, better at making big plays, and better in the clutch anyway. They're really only similar in the fact that they're not asked to do a ton and prefer efficiency over gaudy stats.

Indeed he would make a fine QB, and I'm certainly not arguing that Russell isn't a fine QB.

But for two #1's I want a Roethlisberger/Luck clone, a top arm with the kind of size that he doesn't really have to run around too much, he can just stand in under the pressure 75% of the time and still deliver.

And I wouldn't say Wilson is all that much more accurate than Smith, Wilson is more accurate on deeper throws but he tossed 63% last year to Smiths 65% with me, you and Inmem at receiver.

So the accuracy argument is pretty arguable.

[Hootie]

This board is so hypocritical it's hilarious

[notorious]

Yes, I would give 2 first for him without a second thought.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Indeed he would make a fine QB, and I'm certainly not arguing that Russell isn't a fine QB.



But for two #1's I want a Roethlisberger/Luck clone, a top arm with the kind of size that he doesn't really have to run around too much, he can just stand in under the pressure 75% of the time and still deliver.



And I wouldn't say Wilson is all that much more accurate than Smith, Wilson is more accurate on deeper throws but he tossed 63% last year to Smiths 65% with me, you and Inmem at receiver.



So the accuracy argument is pretty arguable.

I was gauging accuracy off the eye test. Of course you're going to throw for a high completion percentage when you attempt the highest amount of passes within 10 yards of the LOS while also being dead last in passes attempted beyond 20 yards of the LOS.

[RunKC]

Russell Wilson is 2-9 when his defense gives up 24 or more points.
And he's had the best defense in football along with a top 5 rushing attack and a top 5 OL.

Paying him means multiple players who are top 10 at their position including Michael Bennett, Bobby Wagner, Brandon Mebane and Russell Okung will be gone.

They have $40.6 million in cap space for 2016 and I would say roughly $24 million of that will be eaten up by Wilson next season if/when he gets a new deal.

The Seahawks won't have an all world surrounding team in 2016, which means we'll see how good Russell truly is.

[notorious]

Alex and Wilson are very similar QB's until crunch-time.


Wilson balls, Alex fails.


That's why Wilson is worth it.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Well, yeah he's been given more chances, it gives them the better chance to win with luck throwing it like that.

You're kind of furthering the argument against it with the defense and lynch, plus Wilson's running ability.

For 2 first rounders and that salary, youve gotta win from the pocket and make guys around you that much better.

So far, we haven't seen wilson do that consistently, save for lynch and the running game. That's great and it'd a skill, but it's also a risk.

Not at all. I just explained to you how Wilson makes their running game what it is. If you take him off the team and throw some other random, mid-tier QB they wouldn't enjoy near the success that they do on the ground.

But as to their great defense, that's exactly why Russ doesn't have as many opportunities to sling the rock like Luck. No team that leads the league in scoring defense will throw the ball 660+ times like the Colts did. Even if they had Aaron Rodgers.

If you swap the two from the start of their careers you'd likely be looking at a near exact swap in stats as well. Luck throws a ton of INTs on paper not because he's careless with the ball or inaccurate, but because he's asked to throw the ball a ton and feels the need to perform because if he doesn't he won't get any help from his running game. Russell won't throw for a ton of yards because he attempts a limited number of passes because he has a good defense. It doesn't mean he couldn't throw for 4,000+ yards and 40 TDs. He just won't get the chance as long as his defense is in the top 3, as he shouldn't.

The fact is, Wilson has consistently shown the ability to make crucial plays when necessary. The guy threw 26, 26 and 20 TDs these past three seasons to guys like Sidney Rice, Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse and Luke Willson. He makes the guys around him better.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I was gauging accuracy off the eye test. Of course you're going to throw for a high completion percentage when you attempt the highest amount of passes within 10 yards of the LOS while also being dead last in passes attempted beyond 20 yards of the LOS.

I get that, its why I said its only arguable.

But while they may not have had a true stud after Harvin was dealt, top to bottom I'd still take their receivers last year over ours... not to mention O lines.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I get that, its why I said its only arguable.



But while they may not have had a true stud after Harvin was dealt, top to bottom I'd still take their receivers last year over ours... not to mention O lines.

And how much of that is based on Wilson's abilities? You can admit that he's got a more accurate deep ball that he's also more willing to throw? You can also likely admit that he's faster, more agile and better at extending plays in/around the pocket?

If you gave Alex Smith their Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse and Luke Willson do you honestly think we'd be any better off? IMO, those guys aren't a marked improvement over Bowe, Wilson/Avery and Kelce.

The offensive line would be an improvement but most here can agree that Alex eats far too many sacks. He had a top 5 (possibly the best) offensive line in 2011 and still ate a shit ton of sacks. We'd still be looking to replace a lot of guys if we had the Hawks line.

[mdchiefsfan]

If Seattle is comfortable moving on and receiving 2 first round picks for him, I question the need to give 2 first round picks.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Not at all. I just explained to you how Wilson makes their running game what it is. If you take him off the team and throw some other random, mid-tier QB they wouldn't enjoy near the success that they do on the ground.

But as to their great defense, that's exactly why Russ doesn't have as many opportunities to sling the rock like Luck. No team that leads the league in scoring defense will throw the ball 660+ times like the Colts did. Even if they had Aaron Rodgers.

If you swap the two from the start of their careers you'd likely be looking at a near exact swap in stats as well. Luck throws a ton of INTs on paper not because he's careless with the ball or inaccurate, but because he's asked to throw the ball a ton and feels the need to perform because if he doesn't he won't get any help from his running game. Russell won't throw for a ton of yards because he attempts a limited number of passes because he has a good defense. It doesn't mean he couldn't throw for 4,000+ yards and 40 TDs. He just won't get the chance as long as his defense is in the top 3, as he shouldn't.

The fact is, Wilson has consistently shown the ability to make crucial plays when necessary. The guy threw 26, 26 and 20 TDs these past three seasons to guys like Sidney Rice, Doug Baldwin, Jermaine Kearse and Luke Willson. He makes the guys around him better.

Sure, he assists the running game alot. No doubt.

With a defense that good, you should throw it more and take more risks. However, as no one here likes to acknowledge, the offense plays to the defense by eating clock, keeping it fresh and playing to their strengths by being a run first offense.

But they are a run first defensive team. IMO, that shows a bit what or how they feel about Wilson.

If you gave luck that defense, they'd be near unbeatable.

[O.city]

Also I'll add that just because wilson hasn't been asked to do it, doesn't mean he cant.

But, it would be tough to pay said price without seeing him do that for a while.

Flip side, doesn't mean he can do it and maybe the fact that the Seahawks don't ask him to says something.

So, I'll give it an I don't know. 50 50

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Sure, he assists the running game alot. No doubt.



With a defense that good, you should throw it more and take more risks. However, as no one here likes to acknowledge, the offense plays to the defense by eating clock, keeping it fresh and playing to their strengths by being a run first offense.



But they are a run first defensive team. IMO, that shows a bit what or how they feel about Wilson.



If you gave luck that defense, they'd be near unbeatable.

They're damn near unbeatable with Wilson.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

They're damn near unbeatable with Wilson.

With Wilson's contract for certain.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Also I'll add that just because wilson hasn't been asked to do it, doesn't mean he cant.

But, it would be tough to pay said price without seeing him do that for a while.

Flip side, doesn't mean he can do it and maybe the fact that the Seahawks don't ask him to says something.

So, I'll give it an I don't know. 50 50

Of course, no one knows until he's called to do it consistently.

The fact that they don't ask him to throw the ball 30+ times per game should be obvious. They have the best defense in the league. Like I said, even with Aaron Rodgers at QB they wouldn't be slinging the rock 30+ times per game. It'd be an unnecessary risk.