Football 2015 Pro Football Hall of Fame Finalists - Page 8

**Rain Man** · 01:46 PM

I don't think we've discussed this yet, so here you go. Up to five of these guys (plus the one senior candidate) can go in. You make the vote when the poll goes up and I release white smoke from the chimney.

The semifinalist list is here if you want to see who got snubbed, which is mostly Albert Lewis, Everson Walls, Clay Matthews, Joe Jacoby, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, and Randall Cunningham: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...php?p=10938513

Edit: Two other finalists weren't in the poll because the profootballhof listed them separately. Bill Polian and Ron Wolf are also finalists if you want to vote for them as write-ins.

Rams Fan · 01-31-2015, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

My opinion was that he was a very, very, very good left tackle but I'd venture to guess, based on my memory, that's he's outside of the Top 10.

Maybe it's because he was so smooth, maybe it's because Kurt Warner had such a quick a release but after Kurt, there wasn't a lot of success in the running game or passing game, so it's difficult for me, off the top of my head, to say he's an all time great.

Compare that to Will Shields, where no matter who ran the ball or passed, the QB wasn't getting sacked and the backs were always picking up huge yards.

Different position, I know but if we're talking Hall of Fame...

Part of that might have to do with the players surrounding Pace. The Rams team regressed badly after about 2003. Faulk never ran for 1,000 yards again after 2001.

SoCalBronco · 01-31-2015, 08:43 PM

There's no ****ing way Bettis deserved it over TD. I don't give a **** if he played for eight decades.

That's absolute garbage.

Congrats on Shields. Well deserved. He was the best at his spot for a long time.

**Gadzooks** · 01-31-2015, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I agree completely. His legacy is amazing, which also includes multiple Super Bowl wins.

Ugh... I guess SB wins and commercials will beat out extreme innovation in the way the game is played in today's modern NFL.
There are some great videos from his funeral. HOFer John Madden and many others disagree with the SB win requirement.

Hammock Parties · 01-31-2015, 09:11 PM

Man. The NFL was SO GOOD when these guys played. It was SO GOOD.

I wonder if it will ever be that way again.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-31-2015, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadzooks

Ugh... I guess SB wins and commercials will beat out extreme innovation in the way the game is played in today's modern NFL.
There are some great videos from his funeral. HOFer John Madden and many others disagree with the SB win requirement.

Coryell changed the game, plain and simple.

From the great Rams and Chargers teams of the 80's to the Cowboys and Rams (under Vermeil) teams of the 90's to the Chiefs and Chargers (and so many more) of the 2000's, Coryell's offense was visionary, important and made HUGE impact on the NFL.

Suffice to say, whether it was Eric Dickerson or Terry Metcalf or Emmett Smith or Priest Holmes or LaDanian Tomlinson or James Brooks, the Coryell offense spurred some of, if not the, greatest backs in NFL history.

And Fouts, Aikman, Hart, Warner, Rivers and so many more had their best seasons in the Coryell offense.

It's my favorite offense of all time, hands down, no questions asked.

Red Dawg · 01-31-2015, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

The worst is if Jerome Bettis gets in. The guy was the definition of average. He should get into the Hall of Average or the Hall of Longevity, but not the Hall of Fame. Ever.

Less than 4 yards per carry career average? Pathetic. Only 4 times in 13 years did he top 4 yards per carry in a single season.
Average of 7 TDs per season over his career? Unimpressive.
Average of 1,030 rush yards per season over his career? Average.

I couldn't agree more. Bettis is not one of the best ever period, he was just big.

**Bowser** · 01-31-2015, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Coryell changed the game, plain and simple.

From the great Rams and Chargers teams of the 80's to the Cowboys and Rams (under Vermeil) teams of the 90's to the Chiefs and Chargers (and so many more) of the 2000's, Coryell's offense was visionary, important and made HUGE impact on the NFL.

Suffice to say, whether it was Eric Dickerson or Terry Metcalf or Emmett Smith or Priest Holmes or LaDanian Tomlinson or James Brooks, the Coryell offense spurred some of, if not the, greatest backs in NFL history.

And Fouts, Aikman, Hart, Warner, Rivers and so many more had their best seasons in the Coryell offense.

It's my favorite offense of all time, hands down, no questions asked.

Completely agree.

I've long said that if I were ever the GM of a team, I would search out coaches that could implement the Coryell offense and the Jim Johnson defense. Attack. Be the aggressors. Impose your will on your opponents.

**Gadzooks** · 01-31-2015, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Coryell changed the game, plain and simple.

Okay, gotcha, I thought you were taking a shot at the lack of SBs. Now we can disagree about Pace...

**Bowser** · 01-31-2015, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Completely agree.

I've long said that if I were ever the GM of a team, I would search out coaches that could implement the Coryell offense and the Jim Johnson defense. Attack. Be the aggressors. Impose your will on your opponents.

Brock · 01-31-2015, 09:50 PM

Bill polian...****ing asshole

stevieray · 01-31-2015, 09:54 PM

Bettis? pffft, I'd put Kevin Greene in before him.

**Rain Man** · 01-31-2015, 10:06 PM

Wow, this is a weird bunch of winners. It's basically Will Shields and a bunch of surprises.

Shields - deserved it. Way overdue. Screw you, Jonathan Ogden and Walter Jones.

Seau - should go in, I guess, but I don't think he's a first-ballot guy. He's the second-best choice this year. I still don't think he's better than Clay Matthews, Sr.

Charles Haley - I'm not opposed to him going in, but can't figure out why he's going in over Kevin Greene. Greene outproduced him by 50 percent.

Ron Wolf and Bill Polian - Nothing against these guys, but Don Coryell should go in before them, and maybe also Jimmy Johnson.

Tim Brown and Jerome Bettis - two guys who got in because they were average to above average for a long time. Not the types of players who should be in the HoF at all. They took the spots of Warner and Pace.

Weird, weird year, but I'm glad that Will Shields finally got his due, and congrats to former Chiefs scout Bill Polian.

**Rain Man** · 01-31-2015, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Bill polian...****ing asshole

The Chiefs' drafts while Polian was a scout with us:

1982 - Total disaster. We got a couple of short-term linebacker starters. I liked Louis Haynes but he didn't last long.

1981 - Joe Delaney was a good pick who died, and he got Lloyd Burruss in the middle rounds and Deron Cherry as a free agent. A couple of other short-term or spot starters.

1980 - Carlos Carson in the middle rounds, and Brad Budde was a weak starter for a few years.

1979 - Mike Bell between prison stints, and Ken Kremer, who started at NT for a few years. Frank Manumaleuga made a great play once against the Steelers. Not good, but at least they drafted a QB in the first round.

1978 - Art Still is one of my favorite players ever, and Gary Spani started for several years.

Overall, we didn't rock the NFL's world during those years.

Here are the full drafts:

Spoiler!

Code:

1982	1	1	11	11	Anthony Hancock	WR	Tennessee
 	2	2	19	46	Calvin Daniels	LB	North Carolina
 	3	4	17	100	Louis Haynes	LB	North Texas State
 	4	4	21	104	Stuart Anderson	LB	Virginia
 	5	5	19	130	Del Thompson	RB	Texas-El Paso
 	6	6	18	157	Durwood Roquemore	DB	Texas A&I
 	7	7	17	184	Greg Smith	DT	Kansas
 	8	8	19	214	Case DeBruijn	P	Idaho State
 	9	9	18	241	Lyndle Byford	T	Oklahoma
 	10	10	17	268	Larry Brodsky	WR	Miami (FL)
 	11	11	18	297	Bob Carter	WR	Arizona
 	12	12	18	324	Mike Miller	DB	Southwest Texas State
1981	1	1	14	14	Willie Scott	TE	South Carolina
 	2	2	13	41	Joe Delaney	RB	Northwestern State (LA)
 	3	3	14	70	Marvin Harvey	TE	Southern Mississippi
 	4	3	19	75	Roger Taylor	T	Oklahoma State
 	5	3	22	78	Lloyd Burruss	DB	Maryland
 	6	4	14	97	Ron Washington	WR	Arizona State
 	7	5	13	124	Todd Thomas	T	North Dakota
 	8	6	15	153	Dock Luckie	DT	Florida
 	9	7	14	180	Billy Jackson	RB	Alabama
 	10	8	13	206	David Dorn	WR	Rutgers
 	11	9	16	237	Tony Vereen	DB	Southeastern Louisiana
 	12	10	14	262	Les Studdard	G	Texas
 	13	11	13	289	Frank Case	DE	Penn State
 	14	12	15	319	Bob Gagliano	QB	Utah State
1980	1	1	11	11	Brad Budde	G	USC
 	2	3	10	66	James Hadnot	RB	Texas Tech
 	3	4	11	94	Dave Klug	LB	Concordia
 	4	5	4	114	Carlos Carson	WR	Louisiana State
 	5	5	5	115	Dan Pensick	DT	Nebraska
 	6	6	9	147	Bubba Garcia	WR	Texas-El Paso
 	7	6	26	164	Larry Heater	RB	Arizona
 	8	8	10	203	Sam Stepney	LB	Boston University
 	9	9	9	230	Tom Donovan	WR	Penn State
 	10	10	12	261	Rob Martinovich	T	Notre Dame
 	11	11	10	287	Dale Markham	DT	North Dakota
 	12	12	9	314	Mike Brewington	LB	East Carolina
1979	1	1	2	2	Mike Bell	DE	Colorado State
 	2	1	23	23	Steve Fuller	QB	Clemson
 	3	4	3	85	Frank Manumaleuga	LB	San Jose State
 	4	5	2	112	Earl Gant	RB	Missouri
 	5	6	3	140	Robert Gaines	WR	Washington
 	6	7	2	167	Ken Kremer	DE	Ball State
 	7	8	3	195	Mike Williams	RB	New Mexico
 	8	8	26	218	Robert Brewer	G	Temple
 	9	9	2	222	James Folston	TE	Cameron
 	10	9	9	229	Joe Robinson	T	Ohio State
 	11	10	3	251	Mike DuPree	LB	Florida
 	12	10	12	260	Gerald Jackson	DB	Mississippi State
 	13	10	20	268	Larry Willis	WR	Alcorn State
 	14	11	2	277	Stan Rome	WR	Clemson
 	15	12	2	305	Michael Forrest	RB	Arkansas
1978	1	1	2	2	Art Still	DE	Kentucky
 	2	2	1	29	Sylvester Hicks	DE	Tennessee State
 	3	3	2	58	Gary Spani	LB	Kansas State
 	4	4	1	85	Danny Johnson	LB	Tennessee State
 	5	4	20	104	Pete Woods	QB	Missouri
 	6	5	2	112	Jerrold McRae	WR	Tennessee State
 	7	5	8	118	Dwight Carey	DT	Texas-Arlington
 	8	5	24	134	Robert Woods	WR	Grambling State
 	9	7	2	168	Ricky Odom	DB	USC
 	10	7	18	184	Bill Kellar	WR	Stanford
 	11	8	1	195	John Henry White	RB	Louisiana Tech
 	12	9	2	224	Larry Browk	T	Miami (FL)
 	13	10	1	251	Earl Bryant	DE	Jackson State
 	14	11	2	280	Ray Milo	DB	New Mexico State
 	15	12	1	307	Willie Brock	C	Colorado

FloridaMan88 · 01-31-2015, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Charles Haley - I'm not opposed to him going in, but can't figure out why he's going in over Kevin Greene. Greene outproduced him by 50 percent.

Haley was also a key contributor on 5 Super Bowl winning teams.

**Rain Man** · 01-31-2015, 10:56 PM

What do you think about this person's list of the 100 guys who should be in the Hall of Fame? It needs to updated after today, but I think it's interesting. This person really likes the Chiefs.

http://notinhalloffame.com/football?limitstart=0

View Poll Results: Vote for up to five, plus a senior candidate if you wish.
Will Shields	100	84.03%
Tony Dungy	10	8.40%
Tim Brown	51	42.86%
Terrell Davis	11	9.24%
Orlando Pace	53	44.54%
Kurt Warner	57	47.90%
Junior Seau	58	48.74%
Marvin Harrison	37	31.09%
Morten Andersen	23	19.33%
Kevin Greene	29	24.37%
John Lynch	9	7.56%
Jimmy Johnson	16	13.45%
Jerome Bettis	16	13.45%
Don Coryell	41	34.45%
Charles Haley	37	31.09%
Senior Candidate - Mick Tingelhoff	11	9.24%
I'm not voting for anybody until Deron Cherry and Otis Taylor get in.	8	6.72%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 119. You may not vote on this poll

01-15-2015, 01:37 PM
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3378491 VARSITY	2015 Pro Football Hall of Fame Finalists I don't think we've discussed this yet, so here you go. Up to five of these guys (plus the one senior candidate) can go in. You make the vote when the poll goes up and I release white smoke from the chimney. The semifinalist list is here if you want to see who got snubbed, which is mostly Albert Lewis, Everson Walls, Clay Matthews, Joe Jacoby, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, and Randall Cunningham: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...php?p=10938513 Edit: Two other finalists weren't in the poll because the profootballhof listed them separately. Bill Polian and Ron Wolf are also finalists if you want to vote for them as write-ins. Last edited by Rain Man; 01-15-2015 at 01:46 PM..
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SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Arcadia, CA Casino cash: $10006115	There's no **ing way Bettis deserved it over TD. I don't give a ** if he played for eight decades. That's absolute garbage. Congrats on Shields. Well deserved. He was the best at his spot for a long time.
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01-31-2015, 09:11 PM	#109
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01-31-2015, 10:06 PM	#117
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3378491 VARSITY	Wow, this is a weird bunch of winners. It's basically Will Shields and a bunch of surprises. Shields - deserved it. Way overdue. Screw you, Jonathan Ogden and Walter Jones. Seau - should go in, I guess, but I don't think he's a first-ballot guy. He's the second-best choice this year. I still don't think he's better than Clay Matthews, Sr. Charles Haley - I'm not opposed to him going in, but can't figure out why he's going in over Kevin Greene. Greene outproduced him by 50 percent. Ron Wolf and Bill Polian - Nothing against these guys, but Don Coryell should go in before them, and maybe also Jimmy Johnson. Tim Brown and Jerome Bettis - two guys who got in because they were average to above average for a long time. Not the types of players who should be in the HoF at all. They took the spots of Warner and Pace. Weird, weird year, but I'm glad that Will Shields finally got his due, and congrats to former Chiefs scout Bill Polian. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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01-31-2015, 10:56 PM	#120
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3378491 VARSITY	What do you think about this person's list of the 100 guys who should be in the Hall of Fame? It needs to updated after today, but I think it's interesting. This person really likes the Chiefs. http://notinhalloffame.com/football?limitstart=0 __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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