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Old 08-26-2012, 09:56 PM   Topic Starter
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Old 08-26-2012, 10:01 PM   #2
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It took only six days for God to generate all of creation and this guy can't wrap up his thoughts about it in less than 2:33:49?
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Old 08-26-2012, 10:21 PM   #3
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It took only six days for God to generate all of creation and this guy can't wrap up his thoughts about it in less than 2:33:49?
Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
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Old 08-26-2012, 10:24 PM   #4
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Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Not unless the thing formed likes being smote.
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Old 08-26-2012, 10:29 PM   #5
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There's a group of really good folks who come to our house irregularly for brunch after church. We've discussed it and they all say they believe the creation story as it's told in Genesis. Personally, I think they're making the Bible into a false idol.
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Old 08-26-2012, 10:41 PM   #7
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There's a group of really good folks who come to our house irregularly for brunch after church. We've discussed it and they all say they believe the creation story as it's told in Genesis. Personally, I think they're making the Bible into a false idol.
So how do you think we're supposed to know GOD? Do you believe GOD would leave us here without instruction? Just curious as to what your thoughts are.
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Old 08-26-2012, 10:54 PM   #8
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So how do you think we're supposed to know GOD? Do you believe GOD would leave us here without instruction? Just curious as to what your thoughts are.
If all you need is the bible, what is the purpose of praying? God doesn't need a book to tell you what is right or wrong.
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:01 PM   #9
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If all you need is the bible, what is the purpose of praying? God doesn't need a book to tell you what is right or wrong.
I don't believe i've stated that all you need is the bible.
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I don't believe i've stated that all you need is the bible.
You implied that the bible is "God's (indispensible) instruction book", yet people who have never read the bible formulated laws quite similar to those contained in it.
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So how do you think we're supposed to know GOD? Do you believe GOD would leave us here without instruction? Just curious as to what your thoughts are.
Are you saying God can't speak to us individually? He has to leave a note?
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Are you saying God can't speak to us individually? He has to leave a note?
Yes the Holy Spirit guides you and you need the Spirit to interpret his word as well. If you had the faith of a grain of mustard seed and spiritual guidance you wouldn't be scoffing at his word like you are now.
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Yes the Holy Spirit guides you and you need the Spirit to interpret his word as well. If you had the faith of a grain of mustard seed and spiritual guidance you wouldn't be scoffing at his word like you are now.
Now you are saying God can't speak to me in a way that I may be able to interpret. God can do anything.

The irony is that you are telling me that God is incapable of doing something and then questioning my faith.
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There's a group of really good folks who come to our house irregularly for brunch after church. We've discussed it and they all say they believe the creation story as it's told in Genesis. Personally, I think they're making the Bible into a false idol.
Pretty much with you here. My church body teaches (not the basis of a typical Sunday sermon, but still the official doctrine of the church) a literal 7 day creation. Try as I might, I can't reconcile any theological system that starts from a 7-day creation with science. But you start tugging on that thread and pretty soon the whole tapestry comes unraveled leaving a giant pile of thread at your feet. It always ends up undermining my whole Christian faith. The liberal mainline bodies end up throwing so much stuff out, that there is no God remaining, while the Roman Catholics introduce too many beliefs that aren't biblical or practiced in the early church, leaving me with no spiritual home of similar believers. It's been a life long struggle for me.
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Pretty much with you here. My church body teaches (not the basis of a typical Sunday sermon, but still the official doctrine of the church) a literal 7 day creation. Try as I might, I can't reconcile any theological system that starts from a 7-day creation with science. But you start tugging on that thread and pretty soon the whole tapestry comes unraveled leaving a giant pile of thread at your feet. It always ends up undermining my whole Christian faith. The liberal mainline bodies end up throwing so much stuff out, that there is no God remaining, while the Roman Catholics introduce too many beliefs that aren't biblical or practiced in the early church, leaving me with no spiritual home of similar believers. It's been a life long struggle for me.
I respectfully disagree with this point. That is a common misconception.

On the creation side of things... Catholic Church doesn't believe in a literal creation story. They also have no problem with evolution.

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