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Old 01-11-2017, 09:23 AM  
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John McCain: Schmuck Supreme

Sworn Donald Trump enemy John McCain admitted Wednesday that he passed the dossier of claims of a Russian blackmail plot against the president-elect.
The Arizona senator issued a public statement amid mounting questions of his exact role in the affair - and how a document riddled with errors and unverifiable claims came to be published.
'Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public,' he said.
'Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgment about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI.
'That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue.'
But the 2008 Republican loser, who disowned his party's candidate weeks before the election, may have been far more intimately involved than that.

The chain of how the document reached the FBI is not officially known.
However Carl Bernstein, the Watergate reporter who contributed to the first story about its existence, published by CNN on Tuesday afternoon, suggested that McCain was handed it by a former British ambassador to Moscow.
Bernstein told CNN: 'It came from a former British MI6 agent who was hired from a political opposition research firm in Washington who was doing work about Donald Trump for both republican and democratic candidates opposed to Trump.
'They were looking at Trumps business ties, they saw some questionable things about Russians, about his businesses in Russia, they in turn hired this MI6 former investigator, he then came up with additional information from his Russian sources, he was very concerned by the implications of it, he then took it to an FBI colleague that he had known in his undercover work for years, he took it to this FBI man in Rome who turned it over to the bureau in Washington in August.
'And then, a former British ambassador to Russia independently was made aware of these findings and he took the information to John McCain – Senator John McCain of Arizona – in the period just after the election, and showed it to McCain – additional findings.
'McCain was sufficiently disturbed by what he read to take it to FBI director James Comey himself personally, they had a five minute meeting the two men, very little was said, McCain turned it over to him and is now awaiting what the FBI’s response is to that information.'
The identity of the former British ambassador has not been disclosed.
Only one former British ambassador to Washington remains in UK government service, Sir Tim Barrow, who went on to be Foreign Office political director and is now Britain's ambassador to the European Union.
McCain's long-standing opposition to Trump is well known although he only formally ended support for the Republican candidate in October, when the notorious 'p****' tape emerged.

The Arizona senator said at the time: '"Donald Trump’s behavior... concluding with the disclosure of his demeaning comments about women and his boasts about sexual assaults, make it impossible to continue to offer even conditional support for his candidacy.'
US intelligence agencies have claimed that Russian spies hacked the Democratic National Committee and leaked damaging emails designed to undermine Hillary Clinton's campaign for president.


The new information, which has not been independently verified, claims that Russian officials also gathered highly damaging information on Trump, but only released the details attacking Clinton through the WikiLeaks website.
The Kremlin has denied all of the allegations, while Trump tweeted: 'FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT'.

However, McCain was so concerned about the information contained within the 35-page dossier, which included allegations that Trump had hired prostitutes in Moscow to urinate on a bed that had previously been used by US President Barack Obama and his wife Michelle, that he passed the information onto the FBI
CNN reported that intelligence chiefs had presented Trump with a two-page summary of the dossier late last week following a briefing with President Obama.
It is not known if it included the most salacious details.
Trump has consistently denied that Russian intelligence agencies had launched a massive cyber attack ahead of last November's election.
The dossier which McCain passed to FBI Director James Comey was compiled by the former MI6 man.
The memos describe sex videos involving prostitutes filmed during a 2013 visit by Trump to a luxury Moscow hotel, supposedly as a potential means for blackmail.
They also suggest Russian officials proposed lucrative deals in order to win influence over the Republican real estate magnate.
One claim, that special counsel to Trump Michael Cohen met with Kremlin officials in Prague in August 2016 has been branded as 'fake news'.
Cohen denied that he was central 'to the ongoing secret liaison relationship between the New York tycoon's campaign and the Russian leadership'.
Cohen tweeted a photograph of his passport and said he had never visited Prague.
According to reports, the former MI6 man had been hired to conduct 'opposition research' on the Trump campaign by first Republican enemies of Trump, then Democratic ones.
Russia denied the claims, with President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov telling journalists: 'The Kremlin does not have compromising information on Trump.'
The Kremlin spokesman called the dossier a 'total fake' and 'an obvious attempt to harm our bilateral relations'.
Earlier, the Kremlin had denied hacking the Democratic National Committee and leaking information to deliberately weaken Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Donald Trump's transition team has repeatedly denied allegations that it had received any help from Moscow.


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Old 01-11-2017, 09:22 PM   #121
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You didn't say anything.
I did. You chose to ignore it. I'd respond to the rest of your post, but it's just gibberish.
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Old 01-11-2017, 09:29 PM   #122
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"Purported fake news"? How does he know it's fake? Isn't turning it over to the FBI to let them figure it out the right move?

Let's assume Hillary had won. If a 35 page thing about alleged missteps by her were dropped off at some Democrat Senator's doorstep, shouldn't he turn it over to the FBI? What would you want him to do?

How does turning it over to the FBI undermine Trump in any way?
The difference is clearly that Hillary is already known to be guilty. So the proper action,if it was Hillary, would be to turn it over to the media.
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Old 01-11-2017, 09:37 PM   #123
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I'm thinking Rubio might need to be calibrated too. Sore losing piece of shit...
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:25 PM   #124
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Other than the wet blanket it threw on Clinton, I dont like it any more than you do

But every nation with the means to do it hacks, or attempts, to hack us on a daily basis... Clinton and company made the hackers job exceedingly easy, and thats the most important fact
They don't do this on a daily basis. This went beyond typical espionage and it strikes at the heart of the American people's control over (and faith in) our government. Let's not minimize this by pretending it happens all the time.

Like I said, I'll agree to disagree about what's important here.
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:27 PM   #125
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Are you a slow learner?


Patty loves conflict, esp war. Everything is a crisis to him. Why are you trying to continually explain nuance to him? It's like telling a roided-out MMA fighter to consider compromise. It's not possible.
You've got a great imagination. But the downside is that you live in your own fantasy world.
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:47 PM   #126
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You've got a great imagination. But the downside is that you live in your own fantasy world.
I didn't mean to call you a roided out MMA fighter. They actually get in the ring.


You're a fan sitting in the seats watching the MMA fighters.
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Old 01-12-2017, 12:57 AM   #127
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The problem is that hardly anyone is here for a reasonable discussion of the issues. Anyone who doesn't blindly follow Trump, even simple questions, is shouted down. Any news that they don't like or haven't heard from Breitbart or Drudge or Fox is immediately labeled "fake news" without any actual investigation.
Geez, I hope I never run into whomever it is you keep referring to.
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Old 01-12-2017, 01:05 AM   #128
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No. I think the important fact here has something to do with the Russian cyber attack and information offensive. It doesn't matter who the candidates were.
So I understand you clearly, are you prioritizing the hacking of data to publicize government malfeasance over the malfeasance publicized?

This is altogether different than the isolated question of whether hacking of data is a good thing [much like the question of whether or not Trump will be a great president is an altogether different question than if he is preferable to Hillary].

Hacking is wrong
Covert operations to exert external control over our government, whether successful or not, are wrong.
But the stance you appear to espouse is that those are even more wrong [more important?] than accurate evidence of government malfeasance.
I'm not sure that people trying to persuade us with curated information releases, as bad as it is, arises to the level of people actually running our government in the manner the Clintons do and were trying to perpetuate.
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Old 01-12-2017, 01:15 AM   #129
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Does anyone know if Patteeu is still demanding that Congressional investigation into the hacking?
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Old 01-12-2017, 01:24 AM   #130
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So I understand you clearly, are you prioritizing the hacking of data to publicize government malfeasance over the malfeasance publicized?

This is altogether different than the isolated question of whether hacking of data is a good thing [much like the question of whether or not Trump will be a great president is an altogether different question than if he is preferable to Hillary].

Hacking is wrong
Covert operations to exert external control over our government, whether successful or not, are wrong.
But the stance you appear to espouse is that those are even more wrong [more important?] than accurate evidence of government malfeasance.
I'm not sure that people trying to persuade us with curated information releases, as bad as it is, arises to the level of people actually running our government in the manner the Clintons do and were trying to perpetuate.
What malfeasance of immediate concern do you have in mind?

I don't think Hillary's handling of classified information is as important now that she's lost the election as it was when it looked like people might elect her POTUS.

So yeah, unless I'm missing some grave malfeasance, I think the integrity of our electoral system (wrt foreign power cyber attacks and information campaigns) is more important.
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Old 01-12-2017, 01:25 AM   #131
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Does anyone know if Patteeu is still demanding that Congressional investigation into the hacking?
I never did that, as I've pointed out to you before.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:02 AM   #132
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Geez, I hope I never run into whomever it is you keep referring to.
I guess you have them on ignore, too, then.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:07 AM   #133
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I never thought I would see the day that I would look upon Patteeu and John McCain as defenders of the American way.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:12 AM   #134
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What malfeasance of immediate concern do you have in mind?

I don't think Hillary's handling of classified information is as important now that she's lost the election as it was when it looked like people might elect her POTUS.

So yeah, unless I'm missing some grave malfeasance, I think the integrity of our electoral system (wrt foreign power cyber attacks and information campaigns) is more important.
Integrity of protecting electoral system from attempted foreign influence on the voter's decision making process prioritized over integrity of elected officials carrying out governmental duties.

Got it.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:14 AM   #135
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Integrity of protecting electoral system from attempted foreign influence on the voter's decision making process prioritized over integrity of elected officials carrying out governmental duties.

Got it.
Pretty clearly, yes. Even if Hillary was negligent, she wasn't intending harm upon the American democratic system. That's a gap the size of like, the sun.
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