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Old 01-11-2017, 09:23 AM  
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John McCain: Schmuck Supreme

Sworn Donald Trump enemy John McCain admitted Wednesday that he passed the dossier of claims of a Russian blackmail plot against the president-elect.
The Arizona senator issued a public statement amid mounting questions of his exact role in the affair - and how a document riddled with errors and unverifiable claims came to be published.
'Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public,' he said.
'Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgment about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI.
'That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue.'
But the 2008 Republican loser, who disowned his party's candidate weeks before the election, may have been far more intimately involved than that.

The chain of how the document reached the FBI is not officially known.
However Carl Bernstein, the Watergate reporter who contributed to the first story about its existence, published by CNN on Tuesday afternoon, suggested that McCain was handed it by a former British ambassador to Moscow.
Bernstein told CNN: 'It came from a former British MI6 agent who was hired from a political opposition research firm in Washington who was doing work about Donald Trump for both republican and democratic candidates opposed to Trump.
'They were looking at Trumps business ties, they saw some questionable things about Russians, about his businesses in Russia, they in turn hired this MI6 former investigator, he then came up with additional information from his Russian sources, he was very concerned by the implications of it, he then took it to an FBI colleague that he had known in his undercover work for years, he took it to this FBI man in Rome who turned it over to the bureau in Washington in August.
'And then, a former British ambassador to Russia independently was made aware of these findings and he took the information to John McCain – Senator John McCain of Arizona – in the period just after the election, and showed it to McCain – additional findings.
'McCain was sufficiently disturbed by what he read to take it to FBI director James Comey himself personally, they had a five minute meeting the two men, very little was said, McCain turned it over to him and is now awaiting what the FBI’s response is to that information.'
The identity of the former British ambassador has not been disclosed.
Only one former British ambassador to Washington remains in UK government service, Sir Tim Barrow, who went on to be Foreign Office political director and is now Britain's ambassador to the European Union.
McCain's long-standing opposition to Trump is well known although he only formally ended support for the Republican candidate in October, when the notorious 'p****' tape emerged.

The Arizona senator said at the time: '"Donald Trump’s behavior... concluding with the disclosure of his demeaning comments about women and his boasts about sexual assaults, make it impossible to continue to offer even conditional support for his candidacy.'
US intelligence agencies have claimed that Russian spies hacked the Democratic National Committee and leaked damaging emails designed to undermine Hillary Clinton's campaign for president.


The new information, which has not been independently verified, claims that Russian officials also gathered highly damaging information on Trump, but only released the details attacking Clinton through the WikiLeaks website.
The Kremlin has denied all of the allegations, while Trump tweeted: 'FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT'.

However, McCain was so concerned about the information contained within the 35-page dossier, which included allegations that Trump had hired prostitutes in Moscow to urinate on a bed that had previously been used by US President Barack Obama and his wife Michelle, that he passed the information onto the FBI
CNN reported that intelligence chiefs had presented Trump with a two-page summary of the dossier late last week following a briefing with President Obama.
It is not known if it included the most salacious details.
Trump has consistently denied that Russian intelligence agencies had launched a massive cyber attack ahead of last November's election.
The dossier which McCain passed to FBI Director James Comey was compiled by the former MI6 man.
The memos describe sex videos involving prostitutes filmed during a 2013 visit by Trump to a luxury Moscow hotel, supposedly as a potential means for blackmail.
They also suggest Russian officials proposed lucrative deals in order to win influence over the Republican real estate magnate.
One claim, that special counsel to Trump Michael Cohen met with Kremlin officials in Prague in August 2016 has been branded as 'fake news'.
Cohen denied that he was central 'to the ongoing secret liaison relationship between the New York tycoon's campaign and the Russian leadership'.
Cohen tweeted a photograph of his passport and said he had never visited Prague.
According to reports, the former MI6 man had been hired to conduct 'opposition research' on the Trump campaign by first Republican enemies of Trump, then Democratic ones.
Russia denied the claims, with President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov telling journalists: 'The Kremlin does not have compromising information on Trump.'
The Kremlin spokesman called the dossier a 'total fake' and 'an obvious attempt to harm our bilateral relations'.
Earlier, the Kremlin had denied hacking the Democratic National Committee and leaking information to deliberately weaken Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Donald Trump's transition team has repeatedly denied allegations that it had received any help from Moscow.


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Old 01-11-2017, 06:37 PM   #91
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example of this shouting down on actual news?
Reports of Russian hacking. Shouted down here in this forum. People said it either didn't happen or that Russia didn't do it. Now, Trump has said the hacking happened and that it was "probably" Russia.
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:39 PM   #92
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You will have to read it, there is a lot that goes into it, its not just about McCain, but McCain turned his back on POW's.

There is plenty of evidence here to support it.
I remember that all being discussed in detail and debated in 2008. I put up a number of links about it. It's definitely true. He treated the families of POWs like shit too.
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:41 PM   #93
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Reports of Russian hacking. Shouted down here in this forum. People said it either didn't happen or that Russia didn't do it. Now, Trump has said the hacking happened and that it was "probably" Russia.
See, this is my problem with you—you keep using a strawman, which the press has used with the word "hacking". The press, and you, are using innuendo here, so the word "hack" idea will stick, knowing full-well there was no "hacking" of machines and that it's arguable that there was any "hacking", including of Russians of the DNC. You want to be right just as much as anyone else here, even though there was evidence of an inside job. The shouting down occurs because it's a natural reaction of those who voted for the winner of the election, to see that victory delegitimized which you want to do because you're a Trump hater. You're not more reasonable than anyone else here. You are just more passive aggressive about it.

I still don't buy it was Russia.
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:42 PM   #94
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Reports of Russian hacking. Shouted down here in this forum. People said it either didn't happen or that Russia didn't do it. Now, Trump has said the hacking happened and that it was "probably" Russia.
They've clearly moved on from that.
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:42 PM   #95
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Reports of Russian hacking. Shouted down here in this forum. People said it either didn't happen or that Russia didn't do it. Now, Trump has said the hacking happened and that it was "probably" Russia.
Anyone who's been following along knows who those posters are and how embarrassing it should be for them.
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:42 PM   #96
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example of this shouting down on actual news?
The right has become an outright open minded free speech meca compared to liberal stalinism at this point.

Climate Scientist "With knives sticking out of her back" Chased out of Academia by the Left

Golden Boy Kanye West Destroyed by Left Wing Activists and the Media

Liberals and Hillary Eager to Group Anyone who Questions Weak Govnerment Hacking Claims as "Russian Sympathizers"
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Old 01-11-2017, 06:43 PM   #97
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Reports of Russian hacking. Shouted down here in this forum. People said it either didn't happen or that Russia didn't do it. Now, Trump has said the hacking happened and that it was "probably" Russia.
I wasn't here for that... but can I guess that the shouting down occurred because the left side of the argument wanted to focus on who was doing the leaking and the right wanted to focus on what was leaked?
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See, this is my problem with you—you keep using a strawman, which the press has used, "hacking". The press, and you, are using innuendo here, to the word "hack" idea will stick, knowing full-well there was no "hacking" of machines and that it's arguable that there was "hacking", including of Russians of the DNC. You want to be right just as much as anyone else here, even though there was evidence of an inside job.

I still don't buy it was Russia.
Some of them should be more embarrassed than others.
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Some of them should be more embarrassed than others.
Explain how the DNC was "hacked". Cloudstrike non withstanding (They're a google funded\democrat operation filled with former government employee Democrats) there's been no FBI investigation done on the DNC servers.

Smear Campaign: FBI Never Touched or Investigated DNC Servers.
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Explain how the DNC was "hacked". Cloudstrike non withstanding (They're a google funded\democrat operation filled with former government employee Democrats) there's been no FBI investigation done on the DNC hack.

Smear Campaign: FBI Never Touched or Investigated DNC Servers.
I can't explain how the DNC was hacked. What does that have to do with whether or not the Russians interfered in our election?
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Anyone who's been following along knows who those posters are and how embarrassing it should be for them.
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I can't explain how the DNC was hacked. What does that have to do with whether or not the Russians interfered in our election?
Oh so now they actually interfered, when even the intel folks told Trump it didn't. He won fair and square.
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Oh so now they actually interfered, when even the intel folks told Trump it didn't. He won fair and square.
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