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Old 01-11-2017, 09:23 AM  
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John McCain: Schmuck Supreme

Sworn Donald Trump enemy John McCain admitted Wednesday that he passed the dossier of claims of a Russian blackmail plot against the president-elect.
The Arizona senator issued a public statement amid mounting questions of his exact role in the affair - and how a document riddled with errors and unverifiable claims came to be published.
'Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public,' he said.
'Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgment about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI.
'That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue.'
But the 2008 Republican loser, who disowned his party's candidate weeks before the election, may have been far more intimately involved than that.

The chain of how the document reached the FBI is not officially known.
However Carl Bernstein, the Watergate reporter who contributed to the first story about its existence, published by CNN on Tuesday afternoon, suggested that McCain was handed it by a former British ambassador to Moscow.
Bernstein told CNN: 'It came from a former British MI6 agent who was hired from a political opposition research firm in Washington who was doing work about Donald Trump for both republican and democratic candidates opposed to Trump.
'They were looking at Trumps business ties, they saw some questionable things about Russians, about his businesses in Russia, they in turn hired this MI6 former investigator, he then came up with additional information from his Russian sources, he was very concerned by the implications of it, he then took it to an FBI colleague that he had known in his undercover work for years, he took it to this FBI man in Rome who turned it over to the bureau in Washington in August.
'And then, a former British ambassador to Russia independently was made aware of these findings and he took the information to John McCain – Senator John McCain of Arizona – in the period just after the election, and showed it to McCain – additional findings.
'McCain was sufficiently disturbed by what he read to take it to FBI director James Comey himself personally, they had a five minute meeting the two men, very little was said, McCain turned it over to him and is now awaiting what the FBI’s response is to that information.'
The identity of the former British ambassador has not been disclosed.
Only one former British ambassador to Washington remains in UK government service, Sir Tim Barrow, who went on to be Foreign Office political director and is now Britain's ambassador to the European Union.
McCain's long-standing opposition to Trump is well known although he only formally ended support for the Republican candidate in October, when the notorious 'p****' tape emerged.

The Arizona senator said at the time: '"Donald Trump’s behavior... concluding with the disclosure of his demeaning comments about women and his boasts about sexual assaults, make it impossible to continue to offer even conditional support for his candidacy.'
US intelligence agencies have claimed that Russian spies hacked the Democratic National Committee and leaked damaging emails designed to undermine Hillary Clinton's campaign for president.


The new information, which has not been independently verified, claims that Russian officials also gathered highly damaging information on Trump, but only released the details attacking Clinton through the WikiLeaks website.
The Kremlin has denied all of the allegations, while Trump tweeted: 'FAKE NEWS - A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT'.

However, McCain was so concerned about the information contained within the 35-page dossier, which included allegations that Trump had hired prostitutes in Moscow to urinate on a bed that had previously been used by US President Barack Obama and his wife Michelle, that he passed the information onto the FBI
CNN reported that intelligence chiefs had presented Trump with a two-page summary of the dossier late last week following a briefing with President Obama.
It is not known if it included the most salacious details.
Trump has consistently denied that Russian intelligence agencies had launched a massive cyber attack ahead of last November's election.
The dossier which McCain passed to FBI Director James Comey was compiled by the former MI6 man.
The memos describe sex videos involving prostitutes filmed during a 2013 visit by Trump to a luxury Moscow hotel, supposedly as a potential means for blackmail.
They also suggest Russian officials proposed lucrative deals in order to win influence over the Republican real estate magnate.
One claim, that special counsel to Trump Michael Cohen met with Kremlin officials in Prague in August 2016 has been branded as 'fake news'.
Cohen denied that he was central 'to the ongoing secret liaison relationship between the New York tycoon's campaign and the Russian leadership'.
Cohen tweeted a photograph of his passport and said he had never visited Prague.
According to reports, the former MI6 man had been hired to conduct 'opposition research' on the Trump campaign by first Republican enemies of Trump, then Democratic ones.
Russia denied the claims, with President Vladimir Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov telling journalists: 'The Kremlin does not have compromising information on Trump.'
The Kremlin spokesman called the dossier a 'total fake' and 'an obvious attempt to harm our bilateral relations'.
Earlier, the Kremlin had denied hacking the Democratic National Committee and leaking information to deliberately weaken Hillary Clinton's campaign.
Donald Trump's transition team has repeatedly denied allegations that it had received any help from Moscow.


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Old 01-12-2017, 02:24 AM   #136
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Pretty clearly, yes. Even if Hillary was negligent, she wasn't intending harm upon the American democratic system. That's a gap the size of like, the sun.
You have a fascinating definition of harm.

Who cares if our leaders are incompetent and corrupt, so long as foreigners don't try to persuade us with factual information?
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:25 AM   #137
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You have a fascinating definition of harm.
lol - you say that Russian hacking of American democracy is less harmful than Hillary as POTUS, so be it. I disagree.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:28 AM   #138
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You have a fascinating definition of harm.

Who cares if our leaders are incompetent and corrupt, so long as foreigners don't try to persuade us with factual information?

Baby Lee is soooo over rated as a poster. So overrated. Nobody believes him. Most overrated poster there was.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:31 AM   #139
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lol - you say that Russian hacking of American democracy is less harmful than Hillary as POTUS, so be it. I disagree.
Hacking is bad, but not all hacking is the same. And as we established, the question isn't whether or not hacking is bad. It's whether this form of hacking is worse than official incompetence and corruption.

Someone, Russians, whomever, obtained accurate information that they distributed in hopes of altering opinions of voters.

This is different from distributing inaccurate or purposefully fabricated information.

This is way different from altering voter tabulations or election results.

And THIS is what we weigh against putting actual, real and verified, incompetent and corrupt leaders into power.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:32 AM   #140
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Integrity of protecting electoral system from attempted foreign influence on the voter's decision making process prioritized over integrity of elected officials carrying out governmental duties.

Got it.
I was looking at Baby Lee's posts and they are fake posts. They're terrible. Worst posts ever. Baby Lee's posts, these posts are terrible and fake. The worst.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:32 AM   #141
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Hacking is bad, but not all hacking is the same. And as we established, the question isn't whether or not hacking is bad. It's whether this form of hacking is worse than official incompetence and corruption.

Someone, Russians, whomever, obtained accurate information that they distributed in hopes of altering opinions of voters.

This is different from distributing inaccurate or purposefully fabricated information.

This is way different from altering voter tabulations or election results.

And THIS is what we weigh against putting actual, real and verified, incompetent and corrupt leaders into power.
Fake posts. This is the worst post ever.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:33 AM   #142
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Baby Lee is soooo over rated as a poster. So overrated. Nobody believes him. Most overrated poster there was.
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I was looking at Baby Lee's posts and they are fake posts. They're terrible. Worst posts ever. Baby Lee's posts, these posts are terrible and fake. The worst.
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Fake posts. This is the worst post ever.
'Uncle' is sufficient.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:33 AM   #143
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Hacking is bad, but not all hacking is the same. And as we established, the question isn't whether or not hacking is bad. It's whether this form of hacking is worse than official incompetence and corruption.

Someone, Russians, whomever, obtained accurate information that they distributed in hopes of altering opinions of voters.

This is different from distributing inaccurate or purposefully fabricated information.

This is way different from altering voter tabulations or election results.

And THIS is what we weigh against putting actual, real and verified, incompetent and corrupt leaders into power.
Soo overrated as a poster. So overrated.
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'Uncle' is sufficient.
The MOST overrated poster ever.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:34 AM   #145
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I never thought I would see the day that I would look upon Patteeu and John McCain as defenders of the American way.
Meanwhile you're babbling in the corner with an overfilled diaper.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:36 AM   #146
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Meanwhile you're babbling in the corner with an overfilled diaper.
So fake. So overrated. Fake poster. Overrated poster.
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Integrity of protecting electoral system from attempted foreign influence on the voter's decision making process prioritized over integrity of elected officials carrying out governmental duties.

Got it.
Yeah, in other words I'm not shilling for Trump or letting hatred of Hillary cloud my judgment.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:38 AM   #148
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Yeah, in other words I'm not shilling for Trump or letting hatred of Hillary cloud my judgment.
I respect the hell out of this.
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Yeah, in other words I'm not shilling for Trump or letting hatred of Hillary cloud my judgment.
**** off patt. That is completely uncalled for and inaccurate.

I didn't say word one about Trump. Trump is irrelevant to this. The two concepts being compared is foreign attempts to obtain information to persuade voters versus verifiably incompetent and corrupt national leaders.

What am I shilling for, and where is my judgment clouded?

Be specific. Don't be a buzzword demagogue. It . . . used to be. . . beneath you.
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Old 01-12-2017, 02:43 AM   #150
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**** off patt. That is completely uncalled for and inaccurate.

I didn't say word one about Trump. Trump is irrelevant to this. The two concepts being compared is foreign attempts to obtain information to persuade voters versus verifiably incompetent and corrupt national leaders.

What am I shilling for, and where is my judgment clouded?

Be specific. Don't be a buzzword demagogue. It . . . used to be. . . beneath you.
Such a fake poster. So Fake.
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