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Old 09-08-2017, 01:36 PM  
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The possibility of keeping Alex Smith.

Alright, let's get down to some nitty gritty here, folks.

What if Alex Smith is amazing in 2017? The Chiefs hand will be forced -- keep him. 2018 will be the final year of his contract and it's a $20m cap hit. Not unreasonable for a guy playing extremely well.

So, what would the Chiefs have to do?

First, we pretty much have the cap met RIGHT NOW, assuming we bring back absolutely no one who is a free agent. So our cap is royally ****ed.

The two most popular ideas right now are cutting DJ/Hali, or letting them both retire, or whatever. Cutting them saves us a combined $15m. We likely have DJ's replacements already on the roster, and Ford will be entering his contract year in 2018.

We can also cut (or trade) Allen Bailey if we want to elevate RNR to a starting slot. Trading Bailey saves us $8m (and nets us a draft pick or whatever). Cutting him saves us $6m.

If Eric Fisher has a really good 2017, maybe we just extend/restructure him at the end of the season. That would lower his cap hit in 2018 (right now it's slated for $14m).

I wouldn't touch Allen Bailey, but I'd cut DJ/Hali and extend/restructure Fisher. That allows us to keep Mr. Smith and have roughly $20m in cap space, $5m of which can go to our rookie class.

I think it's non-negotiable that we bring back Terrance Mitchell, but he shouldn't cost a ton. Bennie Logan might be a good idea -- although, again, we could just play RNR at the nose and be fine (which is what I would do if we kept Smith on the roster).

So my recommendation, keeping Alex rather than trading him:

1. cut/retire DJ
2. cut/retire Hali
3. restructure/extend Fisher
4. extend Terrance Mitchell
5. let basically all of our FAs walk: De'Anthony, Fulton, Logan, Sherman, Albert Wilson, Gaines, Colquitt
6. make a few choice re-signings (Santos, KPL, maybe Gaines?)

That'll leave us thin at DL, OL, and OLB -- which I hate. And the best draft pick we'll have in 2018 will be at the very bottom of the 2nd.

But hey, if your QB is balling out, who cares?

Food for thought.
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Old 10-09-2017, 10:42 PM   #136
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If the jags called and offered two 1st rounders?
Deal unless he leads the Chiefs to a Superbowl appearance/victory. Then you almost have to extend/keep him for another year or two and see if you can repeat the next year.
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I would trade him for a 1st.
That's what I keep trying to tell you.

Teams will pay if Alex plays like he has been. Yes, for a QB in his mid-30s who's owed $18 million. If you think it's reasonable for the Chiefs to pay for wasting Mahomes' cheap rookie deal so they can start Alex another year or two beyond 2017, then it's reasonable for other teams to pay a 1st round pick for Alex if they don't have anything at the QB position.

Sam Bradford, man. And Sam Bradford ****ing sucks. He always has.

Alex Smith doesn't suck. He's just older.
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Old 10-10-2017, 07:54 AM   #138
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Hell, what if we get a 1st AND CHANGE for Alex?

If Jacksonville needs a new QB and they only have a low 1st rounder from making the playoffs, make them chip in a WR they're not using. Or an extra 3rd or 4th. Something like that.
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:09 AM   #139
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I just struggle to think a team would pay a 1st for him.

But what do I know.
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:10 AM   #140
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Hell, what if we get a 1st AND CHANGE for Alex?

If Jacksonville needs a new QB and they only have a low 1st rounder from making the playoffs, make them chip in a WR they're not using. Or an extra 3rd or 4th. Something like that.
I'd be inclined to take Bortles as a backup, but unfortunately his 5th year option number is prohibitive. He has flashed some ability from time-to-time and I think ol' Andy could make something worthwhile out of him.

I do, however, wonder if they'd be willing to deal Dante Fowler. He's' going into the final year of his rookie deal and the Jags would be on the hook for about half of his contract amount, he'd only cost 3.6 million. He hasn't been all-world so far, but he's had a solid start to the season this year as a backup with 4 sacks. He's only 23. If they'd deal Fowler and a 2nd, I'd be happier than a pig rolling in shit.
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:34 AM   #141
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If Alex keeps this up, he'll have over 30 TD's and 4,000+ passing yards. Unless he bombs in the playoffs, you stick with the hot hand.

DJ isn't playing with a $10 million cap hit next year and Tamba will be expendable. I really don't see a need to spend a lot of money in FA next year anyway. It really hasn't worked. Who are the big money guys that we've signed that have been worth the contract? I'm only seeing Mitchell Schwartz so far.

The team we have is the most talented overall in the NFL. Just sign our own guys like Albert Wilson (team friendly small contract), Bennie Logan, Terrance Mitchell and Mitch Morse to new deals with their cap hits coming after 2018.

You know what we need to do? Draft players for right ****ing NOW, not development players.

Use the draft to get our depth players and bolster the team.
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Planet experts want a trade... Anything to get Mahomes behind center... Injuries/death to Alex we've seen it all... It's a ever ending cycle of douche. Funny part is Alex is ing the **** out of them.
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Planet experts want a trade... Anything to get Mahomes behind center... Injuries/death to Alex we've seen it all... It's a ever ending cycle of douche. Funny part is Alex is ing the **** out of them.
Much truth to this.

And there is no guarantee that Mahomes would even pan out. Just look at Pre-Season Kizer vs regular season reality.
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Preseason Kizer was not preseason Mahomes.
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I just struggle to think a team would pay a 1st for him.

But what do I know.
Really???

As much drafting and FA as you shove down your gullet year in and year out, and you can't see that?!?!?

Damn...
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Planet experts want a trade... Anything to get Mahomes behind center... Injuries/death to Alex we've seen it all... It's a ever ending cycle of douche. Funny part is Alex is ing the **** out of them.
Honey, the Smith Crash of '17 is going to be absolutely suicide watch-inducing for folks like you.
I will literally need a mop the size of your gushing vagina to soak up the tears.
Tick-tock...
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Chiefs Planet was treating Mahomes as our conquering hero when we used not just 1 first round pick but 2 first round picks on a first round QB for the first time in 34 years. When Mahomes exceeded expectations in training camp and preseason, Chiefs Planet was debating which game Mahomes would replace Smith as the starting QB. Then Smith plays his best ball in KC over the first 5 games of the season and now Mahomes isn't good enough to start until his 4th season. Chiefs Planet defines schizoqhrenia.
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Chiefs Planet was treating Mahomes as our conquering hero when we used not just 1 first round pick but 2 first round picks on a first round QB for the first time in 34 years. When Mahomes exceeded expectations in training camp and preseason, Chiefs Planet was debating which game Mahomes would replace Smith as the starting QB. Then Smith plays his best ball in KC over the first 5 games of the season and now Mahomes isn't good enough to start until his 4th season. Chiefs Planet defines schizoqhrenia.
Not really. For the most part, it's not the same guys flipping script. At least I'm not. I've said all along that I'd want Mahomes to sit at least a couple of years regardless of his Pre-Season "dominance" and before Smith had his coming out party.

You still have the QB1 club who can't wait for Smith to be gone regardless of how well he is playing. I mean, during the Chargers (or Eagles) game you had people posting "stay the **** down" when Smith got knocked to the ground.
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Chiefs Planet was treating Mahomes as our conquering hero when we used not just 1 first round pick but 2 first round picks on a first round QB for the first time in 34 years. When Mahomes exceeded expectations in training camp and preseason, Chiefs Planet was debating which game Mahomes would replace Smith as the starting QB. Then Smith plays his best ball in KC over the first 5 games of the season and now Mahomes isn't good enough to start until his 4th season. Chiefs Planet defines schizoqhrenia.
Idiots gonna' idiot.
There exist a small contingent here who will back every single move the Chiefs make without ANY thought of reason, foresight, or hindsight.
Everyday is a fresh new day! Every new season a chance to be champs!
Franchise history, NFL history, and data compiled over decades mean absolutely nothing to these folks, and many of them are a prime reason that morons like Peterson and Peeholi long overstayed their welcome.
These fools welcomed Smith with open arms, minds, hearts, and wallets, and were just ghastly taken aback when a fan base that had grown weary, leery, and technologically football-savvy did NOT see the "wisdom" of such a move.
Prior to this, these poor, mistreated souls had undergone a severe e-beating in the form of almost a decades worth of advocation for the acquisition of a 1st round QB, in hopes of breaking KC's cycle of mediocre insanity. And we of the QB1 Death Cult spared NO rod on these deserved fools. We beat their asses up, down, and all around the internet until finally, only a few hardcore gluttons for punishment remained.
It took a long goddamned time to make a larger majority of the Chiefs fan base both at CP and in the "real world" understand that NO retread QB was EVER going to take the Chiefs to a Super Bowl, much less win the ****ing thing.
The Chiefs themselves finally understood this, and did what needed to be done.
The future is secure, and the Chiefs stand on the cusp of fielding what could be an elite unit led by a young, elite QB.

But don't let that get in the way of some good, old fashioned butthurt.

The losers of this war, having already lost but being too ****ing stupid to realize it much less admit it, have unfurled their Epic Vagina Flag one last time, and attached it to the aged ass of Alex Peckerwhacker Smith.
He is their Golden Hope, their last chance at attaching ANY validation to an already proven failure of a team-building philosophy. A philosophy that their beloved franchise has already abandoned.

It is unfortunate that yet another season must be wasted upon an idea whose time has come and gone, but I am more than confident that the final outcome will be well worth it.

There won't even be ashes left to blow in the wind.
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Much truth to this.

And there is no guarantee that Mahomes would even pan out. Just look at Pre-Season Kizer vs regular season reality.
Aaaaaand there it is again. I thought we were done with this retarded asinine logic when we drafted a QB.

"There's no guarantee..."

Alex is not a long term option. You can't afford to keep both Mahomes and him around on the same team forever. And Alex isn't playing forever, either. He's an old man who has taken multiple serious concussions and a season-ending injury to his throwing arm.

Let's say Mahomes doesn't work out. What the **** are you going to do? Keep rolling with Smith? HE'S AT THE END OF HIS CAREER. He can't play forever. You're going to have to say goodbye to Smith in less than 5 years anyway!

If Mahomes doesn't work out, we're going to have to get lucky and find a replacement or we're ****ed. In a couple years if we find out that Mahomes isn't good enough, then a 35+ year old Alex ****ing Smith isn't going to save us. We're going to be in the exact same position we were in before we drafted Mahomes--- the back end of the first round with no hope at top QBs you think are "sure things"

"There's no guarantee..." So? Are you ****ing looking for a guarantee? The NFL is a goddamn game. Unless you're playing something like Candy Land, you take RISKS to win games. There's no guarantee in ANYTHING.

The Chiefs unveiled a plan for the future when they drafted Mahomes. It might work out. It might not. But at least it's a ****ing plan instead of sitting around holding your dick and squeezing every last drop of juice out of an old ****ing QB on his last legs, hoping he somehow can play until he's ****ing 65. And like it or not, that plan the Chiefs chose is an unknown. They're setting this plan in motion, and they don't know what's going to happen. There's no looking back, though, and that long term plan does NOT ****ing involve Alex Smith.
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