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Old 07-11-2018, 11:49 AM  
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University of Kansas Flies Blackened American Flag....

After reading the article...this could have gone into a number of other threads, but since it has a local angle...i think it needs its own....



University of Kansas flies blackened American flag to represent American polarization

The University of Kansas is flying an American flag with a splattering of black paint and a black and white striped sock as part of an art exhibit on the current political climate.

German artist Josephine Meckseper designed the flag which is being flown at a dozen locations in the United States, including KU, Cornell University, Texas State University, Rutgers University, and the University of South Florida, Campus Reform reported.

Sponsored by the Creative Time Project, Meckeper said of their website, “The flag is a collage of an American flag and one of my dripped paintings which resembles the contours of the United States,” Meckseper explained on the Creative Time website. “I divided the shape of the country in two for the flag design to reflect a deeply polarized country in which a president has openly bragged about harassing women and is withdrawing from the Kyoto protocol and UN Human Rights Council.”

“The black and white sock on my flag takes on a new symbolic meaning in light of the recent imprisonment of immigrant children at the border,” Meckseper added. “Let’s not forget that we all came from somewhere and are only recent occupants of this country – native cultures knew to take care of this continent much better for thousands of years before us. It’s about time for our differences to unite us rather than divide us.”

Meckseper's flag is part of a larger project that's been going on since June 2017 titled "Pledges of Allegiance," which features 16 different artists designing their own flags on issues they care about.

“We realized we needed a space to resist that was defined not in opposition to a symbol, but in support of one, and so we created a permanent space. The flag seemed an ideal form to build that space around both practically and symbolically,” Creative Time Artistic Director Nato Thompson said on the project website.

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Old 07-12-2018, 09:11 AM   #106
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How has Trump being elected actually effected you? Please name the things he has done that has made a real world impact on your life, not emotionally, but an actual effect.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:12 AM   #107
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My friends took an oath to defend this country and its people. And they did it pretty damn well.

Hope you find a safe space to hide in. Sounds like you need one.
Sounds like you are projecting your opinions onto your friends. I'm certain you don't know a "bunch" of veterans who don't care about disgracing the flag.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:50 AM   #108
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Hope you don't get a rash wiping your ass with the flag!
I don't choose to do that to the flag. I just believe in the first amendment. That's all.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:53 AM   #109
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Sounds like you are projecting your opinions onto your friends. I'm certain you don't know a "bunch" of veterans who don't care about disgracing the flag.
I know three air force officers. And I know what they ****ing said. I'm not a liar.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:55 AM   #110
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.... It's all volume and no thought. Scream as loud as possible without any vision or without any correlation to facts.
Oh the irony....

Especially among right wing bastians of hate and White Nationalism like this joint.....
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:00 AM   #111
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I don't choose to do that to the flag. I just believe in the first amendment. That's all.
I don't choose to do that to the flag and believe they have a first amendment right, however, we also have a first amendment right to state our outrage over the treatment of the flag, specifically, by a state funded university. But hey, I understand that you really don't care.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:33 AM   #112
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I know three air force officers. And I know what they ****ing said. I'm not a liar.
Tell me exactly what your 3 friends said.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:39 AM   #113
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Is this like having a black friend?
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:42 AM   #114
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Were you saying that same thing to your friends who demanded statues be removed and battle flags taken down?

Didn’t think so. Hypocrite.
Honestly Mr. Bob Dole, I thought about this all night. And I think, for the most part, you may be right.

While I think there are moral implications to having pro-confederate relics abundant in the public space, to your point - it may be the same technical precedent in censoring free speech due to hurt feelers. So yes, perhaps I was hypocritical. I'll freely admit that, after much introspection about your question.

While I may think it's wrong to promote confederate what-have-yous, who's to say I'm the moral arbiter when it comes to anything. I'll simply have to lean on MLK's notion of "...the moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice."

I'm glad you called me out on that. Led to some good thought.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:43 AM   #115
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Is this like having a black friend?
Heh.

I'm 100% certain SNR is confusing someone believing its a 1st Amendment right to burn the flag or disgrace it vs not caring at all when someone does it.

I mean when I see an idiot burning a flag I don't lose sleep over it and its legal for them to do it, but that doesn't mean I don't care about people disgracing the flag.
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Honestly Mr. Bob Dole, I thought about this all night. And I think, for the most part, you may be right.

While I think there are moral implications to having pro-confederate relics abundant in the public space, to your point - it may be the same technical precedent in censoring free speech due to hurt feelers. So yes, perhaps I was hypocritical. I'll freely admit that, after much introspection about your question.

While I may think it's wrong to promote confederate what-have-yous, who's to say I'm the moral arbiter when it comes to anything. I'll simply have to lean on MLK's notion of "...the moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice."

I'm glad you called me out on that. Led to some good thought.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:50 AM   #117
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The backpeddaling on environmental protections affects the air I breathe, the water I drink, and the eventual quality of life my children and their children will inherit. That's real and undeniable, imo.

Trump's Justice Dept.'s feelings about it being okay to fire someone for being gay doesn't necessarily affect me personally, but it could affect my family and several friends.

The WH's tariff policy will directly result in the increased cost of many things. Necessities like food (ask a farmer how that's panning out) are at the top of that list. Increased cost for steel and aluminum directly impacts the industry in which my job operates, so there's long-term impacts of that situation.

Like Rodeo mentioned earlier - I'm empathetic to others' suffering too. Ignorance emboldened through the current administration doesn't settle well with the people of color in my community, who have seen first hand the vitriol of an ignorant populace. This is a direct consequence of the POTUS and his policies.

So yeah, there are tangibles.
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The backpeddaling on environmental protections affects the air I breathe, the water I drink, and the eventual quality of life my children and their children will inherit. That's real and undeniable, imo.

Trump's Justice Dept.'s feelings about it being okay to fire someone for being gay doesn't necessarily affect me personally, but it could affect my family and several friends.

The WH's tariff policy will directly result in the increased cost of many things. Necessities like food (ask a farmer how that's panning out) are at the top of that list. Increased cost for steel and aluminum directly impacts the industry in which my job operates, so there's long-term impacts of that situation.

Like Rodeo mentioned earlier - I'm empathetic to others' suffering too. Ignorance emboldened through the current administration doesn't settle well with the people of color in my community, who have seen first hand the vitriol of an ignorant populace. This is a direct consequence of the POTUS and his policies.

So yeah, there are tangibles.
I have no idea why you believe the bolded part above, I don't know where that claim is coming from.

Most every other thing you listed is something that has not occurred its just fears that they may happen. Even the environmental concerns are hyperbole. You think being POTUS for 4 or 8 years can change the long term environment? Your claims its undeniable are silly. There is zero evidence to support that.


The underlined paragraph is just WOW. Please give me an example of Trump causing the people of color in your neighborhood hardships.

What I do know is those people of color in your neighborhood and all other neighborhoods have gained very very little under Obama and other Democrats.

It sounds like all of your tangibles are personal feelings and emotionally driven predictions.
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I have no idea why you believe the bolded part above, I don't know where that claim is coming from.

Most every other thing you listed is something that has not occurred its just fears that they may happen. Even the environmental concerns are hyperbole. You think being POTUS for 4 or 8 years can change the long term environment? Your claims its undeniable are silly. There is zero evidence to support that.


The underlined paragraph is just WOW. Please give me an example of Trump causing the people of color in your neighborhood hardships.

What I do know is those people of color in your neighborhood and all other neighborhoods have gained very very little under Obama and other Democrats.

It sounds like all of your tangibles are personal feelings and emotionally driven predictions.
I'll give you an example.

A rally (more like a parade, if you will) was held in my city in protest of a protest. The protest in question never occurred (odd circumstances behind that, with some weird Facebook drama circulating that seemed very fishy to begin with). The counter-protest was the height of redneckery - people driving up and down the streets flying confederate flags side by side with their American flags, shouting all sorts of intimidation and downright threats to those nearby. The police eventually became somewhat involved, even going so far as to request information from the public about a person (picture included) asking for identification re: a potential hate crime type of situation.

These types of activities are fueled by hate; the Trumps of the world add fuel to that fire with their vitriol about illegals - human beings, mind you - being "animals" or "rats." The emboldening of this behavior is terrifying to my friends from a minority background. People just trying to get by like the rest of us are subjected to consistent belittlement. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's sad.

EDIT: About the bold part you mentioned
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