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Old 05-02-2018, 09:22 PM  
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Trump Reimbursed Cohen for Stormy Daniels Payment?

No WAY, dudes....wait, Guilanni is saying this. Friggin' pillowbiter commie transgendered Cuck...

That would mean Trump bold-faced lied to cameras and the American people, on numerous occasions....no WAY. Can you believe these fascists!

Damn FAKE news drama queens are spreading more LIES!

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/polit...mey/index.html

Giuliani says Trump reimbursed Cohen for Stormy Daniels payment

Washington (CNN)


Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday that President Donald Trump paid back his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, the $130,000 in hush money that was used to pay off Stormy Daniels.

The payment is going to turn out to be "perfectly legal," Giuliani said in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity.

"That money was not campaign money, sorry," Giuliani said. "I'm giving you a fact now that you don't know. It's not campaign money. No campaign finance violation."

Hannity replied: "Because they funneled it through the law firm?"
To which Giuliani said: "Funneled it through the law firm, and the President repaid him."

Giuliani recently joined Trump's legal team in an effort to bring special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's 2016 election meddling and any possible coordination with the Trump campaign to an end. The addition of Giuliani came following the departure of Trump's former lawyer John Dowd.

Trump previously denied knowledge of the payment, which has since spurred a lawsuit against the President.

When asked about Giuliani's comments, White House deputy press secretary Hogan Gidley told Fox News that it is ongoing litigation and referred the questions to the President's outside counsel.

Cohen admitted to paying Daniels out of his own pocket through a private LLC. However, Trump never signed the nondisclosure agreement, so Daniels is claiming in her suit that the agreement is now void.

"In a private transaction in 2016, I used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to Ms. Stephanie Clifford," Cohen said in a statement in February. "Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly."

There have been questions surrounding the legality of the payment considering various campaign finance laws.

In January, the group Common Cause sent letters to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and the Federal Election Commission asking them to investigate the Daniels payment, calling it an illegal in-kind campaign contribution.

Daniels' lawyer Michael Avenatti said he was "stunned" by Giuliani's claim that Trump knew about the payment. "I am stunned and speechless. If this is accurate, the American people have been lied to and deceived for months. And justice must be served," Avenatti said.

Common Cause's Paul S. Ryan said Giuliani's comments could expose Trump to possible criminal prosecution, along with Cohen. Ryan said if Trump reimbursed Cohen that would mean Trump knew about the payment, which would make Trump vulnerable.

Ryan said despite whether Cohen was paid back, Trump's lawyer could have violated campaign contribution law, because Ryan said it appears Cohen made an illegally large in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign.

In the same interview, Giuliani also called ex-FBI Director James Comey a "disgraceful liar," and said he thinks Comey should be prosecuted.
"I know James Comey. I know the President. Sorry Jim, you're a liar -- a disgraceful liar," Giuliani said.

Giuliani then went on to say that "every FBI agent in America has his head down," because of Comey.

Comey and Trump have had a tumultuous relationship following Comey's firing. Comey recently published a memoir, which detailed his encounters with the President, and has said he thinks Trump is "morally unfit" for the presidency.

Trump, in turn, has also repeatedly sounded off on Comey via social media.

Prior to Comey's book release, Trump even insinuated Comey should go to jail, tweeting: "The big questions in Comey's badly reviewed book aren't answered like, how come he gave up Classified Information (jail), why did he lie to Congress (jail), why did the DNC refuse to give Server to the FBI (why didn't they TAKE it), why the phony memos, McCabe's $700,000 & more?"

Giuliani echoed that suggestion on Fox News, telling Hannity that Comey should be prosecuted.

"Comey should be prosecuted for leaking confidential FBI information when he leaked his report intended to develop a special prosecutor for the President of the United States," Giuliani said.

CNN's MJ Lee and Sara Sidner contributed to this report.

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Old 05-03-2018, 08:26 AM   #106
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Jesus Christ is there no end to the straws these "resistance" idiots will try to grasp? They are the ones who should be charged with obstruction. Either come up with something tangible or end this witch hunt altogether and let the administration focus on the work at hand.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:26 AM   #107
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lol, it's a cut and dry violation of campaign finance laws if Rudy is telling the truth.
Yes and no. Just because it violates campaign finance laws does not make it a criminal matter.

Now it becomes a case of mostly book keeping accounting errors. Because it is not illegal for Trump to give another $130,000 to his campaign. Unlike Cohen who is constrained by donation limitations, Trump can give any amounts he wants to and it is a question of whether it was properly reported and that Trump knowingly and intentionally failed to properly report the matter. Cohen on the other hand clearly would have been a violation because it is well over the legal contribution limits.

It is not uncommon for a campaign to have reporting problems. It is another to knowingly accept/make illegal contributions. Obama had reporting problems with over 3 million in contributions and paid a significant fine to the FEC for his campaign finance violations in the amount of $375,000. Reporting problems are usually dealt with a fine. What is the harm when you did not accept illegal contributions?

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Old 05-03-2018, 08:26 AM   #108
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Just to be clear: You think this is the only time Trump has lied to the public?

I mean, he's a long-standing adulterer, but THIS is the one thing he'll lie about? Nobody believes you're this stupid.
Just to be clear you think this is the first time a President or any other politician has lied to the public? Did you vote fore Hillary? Do you think she has never lied?


You are starting to prove me wrong about thinking you are not an idiot.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:27 AM   #109
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Not sure which of those categories my response will fit in...but....

Is Hillary the president? No? Ok, i'm still good. Thanks.
You forgot, Trump is also a better POTUS than Obama. Don't forget that important note.
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Just to be clear you think this is the first time a President or any other politician has lied to the public? Did you vote fore Hillary? Do you think she has never lied?


You are starting to prove me wrong about thinking you are not an idiot.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:28 AM   #111
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No, I'm dead serious. I'm old enough to remember all the Presidents since Reagan. I have never seen a politician that is just so recklessly DISINTERESTED in what the actual facts are. Not just in one area or on one item, but just everything and all items, from significant to seemingly meaningless (crowds at inauguration for example).
Right, Harry Reid wasn't on the floor of the Senate every day telling 100%, bullshit, made up out of thin air, lies, right?

No politician is interested in the truth because it usually doesn't suit them well.

I think you're being a touch disingenuous
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So, if they were polling better than Trump and the primary goal was to prevent Hillary from becoming POTUS, perhaps it would have been a better strategic decision to nominate someone who actually had a chance of beating her and preventing that than nominating Donald Trump.
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Right, Harry Reid wasn't on the floor of the Senate every day telling 100%, bullshit, made up out of thin air, lies, right?

No politician is interested in the truth because it usually doesn't suit them well.

I think you're being a touch disingenuous
Name a DNC leader who tells the truth. Good luck.

There is a reason the GOP wants Pelosi to stay in office.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:31 AM   #113
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Name a DNC leader who tells the truth. Good luck.

There is a reason the GOP wants Pelosi to stay in office.
We didn't rig the primary for Hillary....

Okay, well, we did but.....
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:34 AM   #114
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Trump's disinterest in the truth goes beyond anything I've ever seen from any politician before. It's not the normal politician's spin-meistering. Usually they will massage, spin or try their absolute best to tell their story in some fashion that doesn't just blatantly ignore obvious facts. Trump doesn't seem to care what the facts are. It's like he operates with a completely blank canvas and can do whatever he wants with the story he wants to tell.

The truth offers no boundaries whatsoever for him. I find that beyond odd; I find it insane.
Personally I don't find any of this surprising or insane. Trump is an egotistical douche bag. However I think anyone who ever held that office had to be somewhat egotistic.

Does Trump lie? Of Course he does. Everyone of them lie. Trump just does it in a more blatant way. He is not polished in that political polishing that happens over a career in politics. Trump is a political outsider who is definitely upsetting the apple cart. He is under attack from every angle. A lot of it brought on by his own babbling douche baggieness. But I believe a lot of his babbling comes from a need to defend himself from the attacks that are because he is that political outsider.

It is really something to see the left losing their mind over the Trump election. To watch the double standards at play from both sides of the aisle. To watch all the political junkies spin the narratives to their favor.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:38 AM   #115
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Trump is a bit of a pathological liar, and often times, for absolutely NO REASON AT ALL. I just think the lines are so blurred for him, that he feels completely comfortable travelling back and forth between the truth and fiction. To be fair, I think ALL politicians are complete scum and they ALL lie to some extent.

However, there's a reason why there has been such a mass exodus on Trump's staff. It's impossible to completely manage his message, especially when you have no idea what's true. Ultimately, their job is to manufacture his message into some sort of "truth". I know that I couldn't work for a man like that.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:42 AM   #116
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Trump is a bit of a pathological liar, and often times, for absolutely NO REASON AT ALL. I just think the lines are so blurred for him, that he feels completely comfortable travelling back and forth between the truth and fiction. To be fair, I think ALL politicians are complete scum and they ALL lie to some extent.

However, there's a reason why there has been such a mass exodus on Trump's staff. It's impossible to completely manage his message, especially when you have no idea what's true. Ultimately, their job is to manufacture his message into some sort of "truth". I know that I couldn't work for a man like that.
I wonder how much turnover of executives he had in private business? There is an eccentricity to this guy that is not new but magnified due to his election.
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Old 05-03-2018, 08:42 AM   #117
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Personally I don't find any of this surprising or insane. Trump is an egotistical douche bag. However I think anyone who ever held that office had to be somewhat egotistic.
Somewhat? I think anyone who aspires to the highest office in the land has a big ego. The only one I don't think falls into that category would be Ron Paul who had to be convinced to run.
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No, I'm dead serious. I'm old enough to remember all the Presidents since Reagan. I have never seen a politician that is just so recklessly DISINTERESTED in what the actual facts are. Not just in one area or on one item, but just everything and all items, from significant to seemingly meaningless (crowds at inauguration for example).
Then you really haven't been paying attention at all. Plenty of members of Congress who are just as bad as Trump, from both sides of the aisle.
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I wonder how much turnover of executives he had in private business? There is an eccentricity to this guy that is not new but magnified due to his election.
According to someone like Dr. Corsi, Trump uses who he needs for what he wants to do next. When that is accomplished, he will change out people again for what he wants done then and so on.

I do know that the art of the deal involves creating uncertainty and unpredictability as a method of operating. So I am not so sure, it's eccentricity but a way of chumping others.
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Somewhat? I think anyone who aspires to the highest office in the land has a big ego. The only one I don't think falls into that category would be Ron Paul who had to be convinced to run.
I was grading on a curve! We have had a few who were very low key egotists.
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