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Old 05-02-2018, 09:22 PM  
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Trump Reimbursed Cohen for Stormy Daniels Payment?

No WAY, dudes....wait, Guilanni is saying this. Friggin' pillowbiter commie transgendered Cuck...

That would mean Trump bold-faced lied to cameras and the American people, on numerous occasions....no WAY. Can you believe these fascists!

Damn FAKE news drama queens are spreading more LIES!

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/polit...mey/index.html

Giuliani says Trump reimbursed Cohen for Stormy Daniels payment

Washington (CNN)


Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday that President Donald Trump paid back his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, the $130,000 in hush money that was used to pay off Stormy Daniels.

The payment is going to turn out to be "perfectly legal," Giuliani said in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity.

"That money was not campaign money, sorry," Giuliani said. "I'm giving you a fact now that you don't know. It's not campaign money. No campaign finance violation."

Hannity replied: "Because they funneled it through the law firm?"
To which Giuliani said: "Funneled it through the law firm, and the President repaid him."

Giuliani recently joined Trump's legal team in an effort to bring special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's 2016 election meddling and any possible coordination with the Trump campaign to an end. The addition of Giuliani came following the departure of Trump's former lawyer John Dowd.

Trump previously denied knowledge of the payment, which has since spurred a lawsuit against the President.

When asked about Giuliani's comments, White House deputy press secretary Hogan Gidley told Fox News that it is ongoing litigation and referred the questions to the President's outside counsel.

Cohen admitted to paying Daniels out of his own pocket through a private LLC. However, Trump never signed the nondisclosure agreement, so Daniels is claiming in her suit that the agreement is now void.

"In a private transaction in 2016, I used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to Ms. Stephanie Clifford," Cohen said in a statement in February. "Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly."

There have been questions surrounding the legality of the payment considering various campaign finance laws.

In January, the group Common Cause sent letters to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and the Federal Election Commission asking them to investigate the Daniels payment, calling it an illegal in-kind campaign contribution.

Daniels' lawyer Michael Avenatti said he was "stunned" by Giuliani's claim that Trump knew about the payment. "I am stunned and speechless. If this is accurate, the American people have been lied to and deceived for months. And justice must be served," Avenatti said.

Common Cause's Paul S. Ryan said Giuliani's comments could expose Trump to possible criminal prosecution, along with Cohen. Ryan said if Trump reimbursed Cohen that would mean Trump knew about the payment, which would make Trump vulnerable.

Ryan said despite whether Cohen was paid back, Trump's lawyer could have violated campaign contribution law, because Ryan said it appears Cohen made an illegally large in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign.

In the same interview, Giuliani also called ex-FBI Director James Comey a "disgraceful liar," and said he thinks Comey should be prosecuted.
"I know James Comey. I know the President. Sorry Jim, you're a liar -- a disgraceful liar," Giuliani said.

Giuliani then went on to say that "every FBI agent in America has his head down," because of Comey.

Comey and Trump have had a tumultuous relationship following Comey's firing. Comey recently published a memoir, which detailed his encounters with the President, and has said he thinks Trump is "morally unfit" for the presidency.

Trump, in turn, has also repeatedly sounded off on Comey via social media.

Prior to Comey's book release, Trump even insinuated Comey should go to jail, tweeting: "The big questions in Comey's badly reviewed book aren't answered like, how come he gave up Classified Information (jail), why did he lie to Congress (jail), why did the DNC refuse to give Server to the FBI (why didn't they TAKE it), why the phony memos, McCabe's $700,000 & more?"

Giuliani echoed that suggestion on Fox News, telling Hannity that Comey should be prosecuted.

"Comey should be prosecuted for leaking confidential FBI information when he leaked his report intended to develop a special prosecutor for the President of the United States," Giuliani said.

CNN's MJ Lee and Sara Sidner contributed to this report.

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Old 05-03-2018, 07:34 AM   #61
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Amazing that you think that's a story.
Yes, why would Trump's new lawyer completely undermining what Team Trump has said over the last year and half be a story? Total mystery.

And definitely don't pay attention to Giuliani saying that Trump fired Comey because he wouldn't tell Trump he wasn't the target of an investigation. People might notice that firing a prosecutor because they won't go on record saying you're innocent while they're in the middle of investigating you is illegal.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:35 AM   #62
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Guiliani saying the $35K retainer when he’s not doing any work is how Trump repaid him? Aren’t retainers usually paid even when the attorney isn’t doing any work?
Depends. Usually work is billed against the retainer.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:36 AM   #63
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And definitely don't pay attention to Giuliani saying that Trump fired Comey because he wouldn't tell Trump he wasn't the target of an investigation. People might notice that firing a prosecutor because they won't go on record saying you're innocent while they're in the middle of investigating you is illegal.
It's not illegal and that's always been the WH explanation for his "relieve the pressure" comment so it's not new either.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:38 AM   #64
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It's not illegal and that's always been the WH explanation for his "relieve the pressure" comment so it's not new either.


Firing someone because they wouldn't personally clear you in an ongoing investigation... smells like obstruction of justice.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:38 AM   #65
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Like, your boy Trump seems to think it's a story as well.
The part about they paid her off to help the campaign? Thats a shock to you? WTF did you think they paid her before he said that?
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:40 AM   #66
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I don't really care about the relationship. I also don't give a damn about billionaire playboys doing what billionaire playboys do. I really couldnt' care about what couch a billionaire playboy looks under to find a measly hundred and some-odd grand.

It would be nice, however, if our President and his team seemed to give even the slightest crap about the truth. Instead, they don't even have a nodding acquaintance.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:43 AM   #67
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I don't really care about the relationship. I also don't give a damn about billionaire playboys doing what billionaire playboys do. I really couldnt' care about what couch a billionaire playboy looks under to find a measly hundred and some-odd grand.

It would be nice, however, if our President and his team seemed to give even the slightest crap about the truth. Instead, they don't even have a nodding acquaintance.
It doesn't appear the FBI does either so I guess its a level playing field.

Sad state of affairs.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:44 AM   #68
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We already knew he had cheated on his wives; as others have noted, that was already factored in to the calculus.

Why lie about this payment?
We already knew Bill Clinton cheated. Why lie about it??? Come on, man. No man is going to own up to cheating on his Wife until he has too.


I am just amazed at how outraged you are about this but seem to willingly accept past lies by other people that actually impacted you adversely.
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Old 05-03-2018, 07:45 AM   #69
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Exactly, President used his personal funds. This nukes the Campaign finance charge.
It's still a campaign finance violation. The payment Cohen made initially is considered a loan made to benefit the campaign (Stormy's silence was bought because of the campaign). Even if that loan was repaid with Trump's personal funds, it still needs to be reported and since it wasn't, that's the violation.

The violation isn't a big deal by itself, probably just a fine. Like always, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up. Rudy basically said the 130k was paid off over a period of time. Someone as "rich" as Trump has no reason to not pay that in a lump sum, unless the payments were broken up to avoid detection.
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Rudy on Fox & Friends explicitly stating that the payments were made to help the presidential campaign, this is amazing.
No shit! And still, nothing illegal about it. Newsflash, Professor...this is hardly the first time this has been done by someone running for office.
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April 26: Trump acknowledges Cohen represented him Stormy deal

May 2: Giuliani says Trump personally repaid Cohen in the Stormy deal

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We already knew Bill Clinton cheated. Why lie about it??? Come on, man. No man is going to own up to cheating on his Wife until he has too.


I am just amazed at how outraged you are about this but seem to willingly accept past lies by other people that actually impacted you adversely.
This is the truest sign of their complete loss of objectivity when it comes to Trump.

Look at whats happening in Korea right now, look at unemployment, look at the economy etc...

All this frenzy is over a bunch of meaningless bullshit.

Look at Obama and the Iran Deal, Obamacare fiasco, Berghdahl, Syria, Libya, ISIS etc...

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No shit! And still, nothing illegal about it. Newsflash, Professor...this is hardly the first time this has been done by someone running for office.
You have to ask these morons, what other reason would they have paid her to shut up?

Good grief.
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The part about they paid her off to help the campaign? Thats a shock to you? WTF did you think they paid her before he said that?
Well, Trump explicitly said that he didn't pay off Stormy Daniels, so it's a bit of a head scratcher.

Yeah, I know, "Who cares if the Presdient lies to us? BUT HILLARYYYY!!!!!"
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No shit! And still, nothing illegal about it. Newsflash, Professor...this is hardly the first time this has been done by someone running for office.
lol, it's a cut and dry violation of campaign finance laws if Rudy is telling the truth.
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