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Old 05-02-2018, 09:22 PM  
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Trump Reimbursed Cohen for Stormy Daniels Payment?

No WAY, dudes....wait, Guilanni is saying this. Friggin' pillowbiter commie transgendered Cuck...

That would mean Trump bold-faced lied to cameras and the American people, on numerous occasions....no WAY. Can you believe these fascists!

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/02/polit...mey/index.html

Giuliani says Trump reimbursed Cohen for Stormy Daniels payment

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Rudy Giuliani said Wednesday that President Donald Trump paid back his personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, the $130,000 in hush money that was used to pay off Stormy Daniels.

The payment is going to turn out to be "perfectly legal," Giuliani said in an interview with Fox News' Sean Hannity.

"That money was not campaign money, sorry," Giuliani said. "I'm giving you a fact now that you don't know. It's not campaign money. No campaign finance violation."

Hannity replied: "Because they funneled it through the law firm?"
To which Giuliani said: "Funneled it through the law firm, and the President repaid him."

Giuliani recently joined Trump's legal team in an effort to bring special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's 2016 election meddling and any possible coordination with the Trump campaign to an end. The addition of Giuliani came following the departure of Trump's former lawyer John Dowd.

Trump previously denied knowledge of the payment, which has since spurred a lawsuit against the President.

When asked about Giuliani's comments, White House deputy press secretary Hogan Gidley told Fox News that it is ongoing litigation and referred the questions to the President's outside counsel.

Cohen admitted to paying Daniels out of his own pocket through a private LLC. However, Trump never signed the nondisclosure agreement, so Daniels is claiming in her suit that the agreement is now void.

"In a private transaction in 2016, I used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of $130,000 to Ms. Stephanie Clifford," Cohen said in a statement in February. "Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly."

There have been questions surrounding the legality of the payment considering various campaign finance laws.

In January, the group Common Cause sent letters to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and the Federal Election Commission asking them to investigate the Daniels payment, calling it an illegal in-kind campaign contribution.

Daniels' lawyer Michael Avenatti said he was "stunned" by Giuliani's claim that Trump knew about the payment. "I am stunned and speechless. If this is accurate, the American people have been lied to and deceived for months. And justice must be served," Avenatti said.

Common Cause's Paul S. Ryan said Giuliani's comments could expose Trump to possible criminal prosecution, along with Cohen. Ryan said if Trump reimbursed Cohen that would mean Trump knew about the payment, which would make Trump vulnerable.

Ryan said despite whether Cohen was paid back, Trump's lawyer could have violated campaign contribution law, because Ryan said it appears Cohen made an illegally large in-kind contribution to the Trump campaign.

In the same interview, Giuliani also called ex-FBI Director James Comey a "disgraceful liar," and said he thinks Comey should be prosecuted.
"I know James Comey. I know the President. Sorry Jim, you're a liar -- a disgraceful liar," Giuliani said.

Giuliani then went on to say that "every FBI agent in America has his head down," because of Comey.

Comey and Trump have had a tumultuous relationship following Comey's firing. Comey recently published a memoir, which detailed his encounters with the President, and has said he thinks Trump is "morally unfit" for the presidency.

Trump, in turn, has also repeatedly sounded off on Comey via social media.

Prior to Comey's book release, Trump even insinuated Comey should go to jail, tweeting: "The big questions in Comey's badly reviewed book aren't answered like, how come he gave up Classified Information (jail), why did he lie to Congress (jail), why did the DNC refuse to give Server to the FBI (why didn't they TAKE it), why the phony memos, McCabe's $700,000 & more?"

Giuliani echoed that suggestion on Fox News, telling Hannity that Comey should be prosecuted.

"Comey should be prosecuted for leaking confidential FBI information when he leaked his report intended to develop a special prosecutor for the President of the United States," Giuliani said.

CNN's MJ Lee and Sara Sidner contributed to this report.

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Old 07-12-2018, 11:12 AM   #286
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Four undercover cops to enforce a law that's never enforced because it's dumb as shit. This shit happens in every. Single. Strip club. But I'm sure this has nothing to do with who was performing. Putting your boobs in someone's face and grabbing someone's ass in a strip club? Really?
This asserts a lot of things that you can't possibly know, unless you happen to have previously undisclosed experience with the local OH strip club scene.

'Decency' standards are largely municipal, and can even vary based on zoning laws within municipalities.

The standards can vary wildly, from no touching, to certain distances from stage, to level of undress, to mandated pasties.

A big part of why there are 'champagne rooms' is the two-fold interest of getting bigger tips for individual attention, and to shield more 'intimate' contact with vetted customers from a more conforming performance in public view.

Live adult entertainment is caveat venditor. The performer bears the responsibility of being aware of local regulations and standards. Stormy and her 'team' had a responsibility to know what would and wouldn't fly in this location.

As for if this was a setup, it's possible that she was targeted for attention, but she's still the one who violated the regulation. There's no evidence that the undercovers made demands that compelled her into a violation. The local force has stated that their presence was pursuant to a longer term investigation of violations, including bigger crimes like prostitution and human trafficking in the club.

What's interesting will be to see how a judge handles it. If the municipal code is clear and Stormy indeed initiated the contact as alleged, then the appearance of partisan favoritism will shift to a judge if he or she disregards the evidence to find some indication of targeting to taint the investigation.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:54 AM   #287
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This asserts a lot of things that you can't possibly know, unless you happen to have previously undisclosed experience with the local OH strip club scene.

'Decency' standards are largely municipal, and can even vary based on zoning laws within municipalities.

The standards can vary wildly, from no touching, to certain distances from stage, to level of undress, to mandated pasties.

A big part of why there are 'champagne rooms' is the two-fold interest of getting bigger tips for individual attention, and to shield more 'intimate' contact with vetted customers from a more conforming performance in public view.

Live adult entertainment is caveat venditor. The performer bears the responsibility of being aware of local regulations and standards. Stormy and her 'team' had a responsibility to know what would and wouldn't fly in this location.

As for if this was a setup, it's possible that she was targeted for attention, but she's still the one who violated the regulation. There's no evidence that the undercovers made demands that compelled her into a violation. The local force has stated that their presence was pursuant to a longer term investigation of violations, including bigger crimes like prostitution and human trafficking in the club.

What's interesting will be to see how a judge handles it. If the municipal code is clear and Stormy indeed initiated the contact as alleged, then the appearance of partisan favoritism will shift to a judge if he or she disregards the evidence to find some indication of targeting to taint the investigation.
I live in Ohio and am plenty familiar with strip clubs here. Anyone who's been to any strip club anywhere knows this arrest is absurd. Anyone who's been in Ohio knows that other than pasties and strict rules on patrons touching dancers, nothing else is really different. A stripper putting her boobs in someone's face and grabbing a dudes ass? Really? That happens every minute at a strip club. And you needed 4 undercover cops there for this? You can't possibly not find this wildly absurd.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:07 PM   #288
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I live in Ohio and am plenty familiar with strip clubs here. Anyone who's been to any strip club anywhere knows this arrest is absurd. Anyone who's been in Ohio knows that other than pasties and strict rules on patrons touching dancers, nothing else is really different. A stripper putting her boobs in someone's face and grabbing a dudes ass? Really? That happens every minute at a strip club. And you needed 4 undercover cops there for this? You can't possibly not find this wildly absurd.
The arrest is absurd, or the law?

I'd like to delve into things that are absurd, it might be fun..
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Moot now anyhow. Appears that the local ordinance has a reference to being a 'regular' and since Stormy was a visitor she doesn't fall under it. Weird technicality to include, but it's their decision.

Charges dropped, so now everything about it can fortunately remain speculative and partisan.
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I live in Ohio and am plenty familiar with strip clubs here. Anyone who's been to any strip club anywhere knows this arrest is absurd. Anyone who's been in Ohio knows that other than pasties and strict rules on patrons touching dancers, nothing else is really different. A stripper putting her boobs in someone's face and grabbing a dudes ass? Really? That happens every minute at a strip club. And you needed 4 undercover cops there for this? You can't possibly not find this wildly absurd.
It's not like Columbus is a conservative mecca. I think its just some local publicity for the department and a chance to maybe see some titties...

however, it is the law, and should be changed if it isn't going to be enforced.
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The arrest is absurd, or the law?

I'd like to delve into things that are absurd, it might be fun..
There are no documented cases of this law being enforced in 11 years. And for good reason. A stripper putting her boobs in the face of someone who voluntarily walked into a strip club? You must be joking.
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There are no documented cases of this law being enforced in 11 years. And for good reason. A stripper putting her boobs in the face of someone who voluntarily walked into a strip club? You must be joking.
it's still a law

work on changing the law

maybe ol Stormy can be a martyr for the strippers of ohio
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There are no documented cases of this law being enforced in 11 years. And for good reason. A stripper putting her boobs in the face of someone who voluntarily walked into a strip club? You must be joking.
Maybe the 'regulars' know and follow the standard. Hard to distinguish whether the law is not 'enforced' or if it simply isn't violated.
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There are no documented cases of this law being enforced in 11 years. And for good reason. A stripper putting her boobs in the face of someone who voluntarily walked into a strip club? You must be joking.
Oh, this isn't just any stripper, this is an aging stripper with the ability to retain council like few people across the American landscape.

So 1 year or 11 years, this lady has worked hard to draw attention to her person (for many ways), and she should know that those extra eyes might know some of the laws that her lawyer should have briefed her on.
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So if a police officer in Kansas city saw Mike pence, hated pence, and decided to stalk him in undercover gear to ring him up on a jaywalking charge... That's OK? Or would you agree that selectively enforcing dumb laws that everyone breaks is a despicable practice?

Sending four undercover cops to enforce this law is a hit job. Its finding a dumb law they know is universally broken and using that as an excuse to go after a very specific person. That is a horrible abuse of power.
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So if a police officer in Kansas city saw Mike pence, hated pence, and decided to stalk him in undercover gear to ring him up on a jaywalking charge... That's OK? Or would you agree that selectively enforcing dumb laws that everyone breaks is a despicable practice?

Sending four undercover cops to enforce this law is a hit job. Its finding a dumb law they know is universally broken and using that as an excuse to go after a very specific person. That is a horrible abuse of power.
All laws should be enforced. If they aren't to be enforced then they shouldn't be laws.

Now I would say that it is a terrible waste of resources when we have limited police force...but if something is illegal and you do it, then don't whine about the penalty.
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Sending four undercover cops to enforce this law is a hit job. Its finding a dumb law they know is universally broken and using that as an excuse to go after a very specific person. That is a horrible abuse of power.
Nah, it's just a waste of money and resources.
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Oh, this isn't just any stripper, this is an aging stripper with the ability to retain council like few people across the American landscape.

So 1 year or 11 years, this lady has worked hard to draw attention to her person (for many ways), and she should know that those extra eyes might know some of the laws that her lawyer should have briefed her on.
Her lawyers job is to give Stormy an extensive briefing on jaywalking and other obscure, rarely enforced violations?you really think stormy had any idea she wasn't allowed to do this?
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All laws should be enforced. If they aren't to be enforced then they shouldn't be laws.

Now I would say that it is a terrible waste of resources when we have limited police force...but if something is illegal and you do it, then don't whine about the penalty.
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