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Old 08-13-2017, 01:08 AM  
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You will get chipped. It’s just a matter of time.

You will get chipped — eventually

Jefferson Graham, USA TODAY
2 days ago

LOS ANGELES — You will get chipped. It’s just a matter of time.

In the aftermath of a Wisconsin firm embedding microchips in employees last week to ditch company badges and corporate logons, the Internet has entered into full-throated debate.

Religious activists are so appalled, they’ve been penning nasty 1-star reviews of the company, Three Square Market, on Google, Glassdoor and social media.
On the flip side, seemingly everyone else wants to know: Is this what real life is going to be like soon at work? Will I be chipped?

“It will happen to everybody,” says Noelle Chesley, 49, associate professor of sociology at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. “But not this year, and not in 2018. Maybe not my generation, but certainly that of my kids.”

Gene Munster, an investor and analyst at Loup Ventures, is an advocate for augmented reality, virtual reality and other new technologies. He thinks embedded chips in human bodies is 50 years away. “In 10 years, Facebook, Google, Apple and Tesla will not have their employees chipped,” he says. “You’ll see some extreme forward-looking tech people adopting it, but not large companies.”

The idea of being chipped has too “much negative connotation” today, but by 2067 “we will have been desensitized by the social stigma,” Munster says.

For now, Three Square Market, or 32M, hasn’t offered concrete benefits for getting chipped beyond badge and log-on stats. Munster says it was a “PR stunt” for the company to get attention to its product and it certainly succeeded, getting the small start-up air play on CBS, NBC and ABC, and generating headlines worldwide. The company, which sells corporate cafeteria kiosks designed to replace vending machines, would like the kiosks to handle cashless transactions.
This would go beyond paying with your smartphone. Instead, chipped customers would simply wave their hands in lieu of Apple Pay and other mobile-payment systems.

The benefits don't stop there. In the future, consumers could zip through airport scanners sans passport or drivers license; open doors; start cars; and operate home automation systems. All of it, if the technology pans out, with the simple wave of a hand.
Not a GPS tracker
The embedded chip is not a GPS tracker, which is what many critics initially feared. However, analysts believe future chips will track our every move.
For example, pets for years have been embedded with chips to store their name and owner contact. Indeed, 32M isn’t the first company to embed chips in employees. In 2001, Applied Digital Solutions installed the “VeriChip” to access medical records but the company eventually changed hands and stopped selling the chip in 2010.
In Sweden, BioHax says nearly 3,000 customers have had its chip embedded to do many things, including ride the national rail system without having to show the conductor a ticket.

In the U.S., Dangerous Things, a Seattle-based firm, says it has sold “tens of thousands” of chips to consumers via its website. The chip and installation cost about $200.
After years of being a subculture, “the time is now” for chips to be more commonly used, says Amal Graafstra, founder of Dangerous Things. “We’re going to start to see chip implants get the same realm of acceptance as piercings and tattoos do now.”
In other words, they’ll be more visible, but not mainstream yet.
“It becomes part of you the way a cellphone does,” Graafstra says. “You can never forget it, and you can’t lose it. And you have the capability to communicate with machines in a way you couldn’t before.”
But after what we saw in Wisconsin last week, what's next for the U.S. workforce? A nation of workers chipping into their pods at Federal Express, General Electric, IBM, Microsoft and other top corporations?

Experts contend consumers will latch onto chips before companies do.
Chesley says corporations are slower to respond to massive change and that there will be an age issue. Younger employees will be more open to it, while older workers will balk. “Most employers who have inter-generational workforces might phase it in slowly,” she says. “I can’t imagine people my age and older being enthusiastic about having devices put into their bodies.”
Adds Alec Levenson, a researcher at University of Southern California’s Center for Effective Organizations, “The vast majority of people will not put up with this.”
Three Square Market said the chips are voluntary, but Chesley says that if a company announces a plan to be chipped, the expectation is that you will get chipped — or risk losing out on advancement, raises and being a team player.
“That’s what we’re worried about,” says Bryan Allen, chief of staff for state Rep. Tina Davis (D), who is introducing a bill in Pennsylvania to outlaw mandatory chip embedding. “If the tech is out there, what’s to stop an employer from saying either you do this, or you can’t work here anymore.”

Several states have passed similar laws, while one state recently saw a similar bill die in committee. "I see this as a worker's rights issue," says Nevada state Sen. Becky Harris (R), who isn't giving up. "This is the wrong place to be moving," she says.

Should future corporations dive in to chipping their employees, they will have huge issues of “trust” to contend with, says Kent Grayson, a professor of marketing at the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University.

“You’ve got to have a lot of trust to put one of those in your body,” Grayson says. Workers will need assurances the chip is healthy, can't be hacked, and its information is private, he says.

Meanwhile, religious advocates have taken to social media to express their displeasure about chipping, flooding 32M’s Facebook page with comments like “boycott,” “completely unnecessary” and “deplorable.” On 32M’s Google page, Amy Cosari a minister in Hager City, Wisc., urges employees to remove the chip.

“When Jesus was raised, he was raised body and soul, and it was him, not zombie, not a ghost and we are raised up in the same way,” Cosari wrote. ”Employees of 32Market, you are not a walking debit card.”
Get used to it, counsels Chesley.

Ten years ago, employees didn’t look at corporate e-mail over the weekend. Now they we do, “whether we like it or not,” he says.

Be it wearable technology or an embedded chip, the always on-always connected chip is going to be part of our lives, she says.

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Old 08-13-2017, 08:53 AM   #16
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In a weird way in the future, if EVERYONE had a chip and it was perfect GPS you could solve EVERY crime.

Anyone who kidnaps someone and murders them it would be easy to see the trail. Someone who holds up a jewelry store or 7-11, the same.

Criminals would NEVER be able to say, I wasn't there and it wasn't me.
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:05 AM   #18
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In a weird way in the future, if EVERYONE had a chip and it was perfect GPS you could solve EVERY crime.

Anyone who kidnaps someone and murders them it would be easy to see the trail. Someone who holds up a jewelry store or 7-11, the same.

Criminals would NEVER be able to say, I wasn't there and it wasn't me.
Unless criminals found a way to remove their chips or create copy's of others, criminals will always find a way to work around the system... plus some criminals won't care of getting caught...
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:14 AM   #19
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Unless criminals found a way to remove their chips or create copy's of others, criminals will always find a way to work around the system... plus some criminals won't care of getting caught...
Crime is RARELY preventable and I didn't make that claim. You are correct, criminals will always be criminals.

Something tells me that if the world goes in this direction by 2100 that there will be chip readers EVERYWHERE and if you have a defective chip or removed your chip, the police will make you go get one immediately. Maybe they would fit you with a temp bracelet around your wrist or ankle to monitor you.

Scary what will happen in the next 100 years with policing, security cameras and loss of freedom.

Ironically, the MOST advanced countries will lose their freedoms the fastest!
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:28 AM   #20
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In a weird way in the future, if EVERYONE had a chip and it was perfect GPS you could solve EVERY crime.

Anyone who kidnaps someone and murders them it would be easy to see the trail. Someone who holds up a jewelry store or 7-11, the same.

Criminals would NEVER be able to say, I wasn't there and it wasn't me.
Wasn't there a Tom Cruise movie where they tried this and it didn't work?
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Lol cmon taco john. Nobody is getting chipped anytime soon unless u say yeah sure
You know you've created a really stupid thread when BWillie comes in and provides the voice of reason...
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:57 PM   #22
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Crime is RARELY preventable and I didn't make that claim. You are correct, criminals will always be criminals.

Something tells me that if the world goes in this direction by 2100 that there will be chip readers EVERYWHERE and if you have a defective chip or removed your chip, the police will make you go get one immediately. Maybe they would fit you with a temp bracelet around your wrist or ankle to monitor you.

Scary what will happen in the next 100 years with policing, security cameras and loss of freedom.

Ironically, the MOST advanced countries will lose their freedoms the fastest!

Nah. I wouldn't have a defective or removed chip. I'd just spoof yours so you go down for the crime instead of me.
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Supposedly my company is wanting to issue cell phones to all the employees that act as our timecards, and they want us to keep it with us at all times. Even off the clock and on the weekends. Might be bullshit, but I wouldn't put it past them.
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Supposedly my company is wanting to issue cell phones to all the employees that act as our timecards, and they want us to keep it with us at all times. Even off the clock and on the weekends. Might be bullshit, but I wouldn't put it past them.
Sure, I'd keep it with me off the clock and during weekends... with the battery removed
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Absolutely, with the battery sitting on the boss's desk.
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Supposedly my company is wanting to issue cell phones to all the employees that act as our timecards, and they want us to keep it with us at all times. Even off the clock and on the weekends. Might be bullshit, but I wouldn't put it past them.
I know a guy in a management position who went through that. He chose the cheapest, shittiest phone model and won't answer it or even look at messages unless he's 'on the clock.' He just pretends not to understand how the thing works.
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All the people attacking this thread are the same people that never are in favor of doing things to limit government power. They laugh at the notion. These are the Republicans that Donald Trump beat. These are the Democrats that wanted Hillary Clinton to win. These are the people that lead the way to war.

This article is in USA Today. That's pretty remarkable in and of itself. It's a conversation that Americans definitely should be having. They will be doing what they can to tether people to a blockchain, and use only crypto currency. Using AI technologies, there will be no hiding.

Is it alarmist to raise this? Of course it is. It's an alarm bell that our anscestors have been ringing for thousands of years now. But even if you dont recognize these warnings, there should be no doubt that as stewards of human soverignty we should be wide eyed about it and clear about the limits of government power lest they, the servants, make servants of us.
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