Ozzy: Being in a band is dying art

[Deberg_1990]

Do you agree?



Ozzy Osbourne says the rise of technology in music means bands are losing the ability to jam and shape ideas together.

And the Black Sabbath icon – who's the subject of a free TeamRock iPad supplement – has first-hand experience of the phenomenon.

Ozzy tells Noisey.com: “The computer age is taking over and there's a lot of trickery. I've actually seen guys in bands. You go, 'Do you want to jam?' and they go, 'Jam? What's that?' Just playing anything together. They can't do it. 'I'll have to consult my computer first.' The art of being in a band is dying.”

The singer says he's always proud when another musician is influenced by Sabbath – and he doesn't just mean by the music.

He says: “I have people at Ozzfest going, 'Man, if it wasn't for Sabbath... we owe you so much.' I go, 'What part of this is influenced by Sabbath?' I get where they're coming from but it's not the music, it's what it says to the people.

“Metal has never had any rules. If you want me to do something, tell me not to. I've never played by any rules. My sole concern is to get on that stage and give the audience a great day out. I want to give my heart and soul when I play, and that's God's honest truth.”

Ozzy recently released his retrospective set Memoirs Of A Madman – after revealing that Sabbath are gearing up to record their final album next year.


http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news...d-is-dying-art

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

I'll buy that, but the basic premise being disputed here (I think) - that Ozzy knows nothing of how to turn jam sessions into songs - is just plain wrong.

Anyone thats been in a successful rock band as long as he has, can definitely "jam".

Maybe somewhat, but from what I understand, Tony and Geezer did everything in Sabbath as far as songwriting, Daisley and whatever guitarist was in the band did everything on the 'really good' Ozzy albums (80-95), and everything after has been producers.

Ozzy is a great name, a great character with a unique voice and a one of a kind, once in a lifetime image, capable of generating huge sums of cash on name recognition alone.

He was so ****ed up from 1971-1991 that even he admits that he doesn't remember much from a 20 year stretch, which includes the time he tried to kill his wife in a drunken rage...

I don't see a person in that frame of consciousness being much help at any stage of the actual songwriting process.

It's just...part of the deal with writing for an Ozzy record is...Ozzy gets a songwriting credit (because that's where the money is) and you get to have your song on an Ozzy record and share credit with Ozzy, and his producer and guitar player (because that's where the money is...)

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Maybe somewhat, but from what I understand, Tony and Geezer did everything in Sabbath as far as songwriting, Daisley and whatever guitarist was in the band did everything on the 'really good' Ozzy albums (80-95), and everything after has been producers.

Ozzy is a great name, a great character with a unique voice and a one of a kind, once in a lifetime image, capable of generating huge sums of cash on name recognition alone.

He was so ****ed up from 1971-1991 that even he admits that he doesn't remember much from a 20 year stretch, which includes the time he tried to kill his wife in a drunken rage...

I don't see a person in that frame of consciousness being much help at any stage of the actual songwriting process.

Well right, he may not have been of much use in the studio back when he was snorting ants with Nikki Sixx. But I'm sure that when sober, he's had enough experience in the business to have some kind of artistic control over his own music.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Well right, he may not have been of much use in the studio back when he was snorting ants with Nikki Sixx. But I'm sure that when sober, he's had enough experience in the business to have some kind of artistic control over his own music.

Sure, but he's not enough of an artistic force on his own to ever care to enforce that kind of control. He COULD make the kind of record he 'wants' to make...

But if the sound of his last couple of records, and the sound of his auto-tuned vocals on the latest Sabbath slab are any indication, Ozzy doesn't care - he does whatever the producers tell him.

Which is a shame, because Ozzy likes old records. He likes the Beatles and Hendrix.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Sure, but he's not enough of an artistic force on his own to ever care to enforce that kind of control. He COULD make the kind of record he 'wants' to make...

But if the sound of his last couple of records, and the sound of his auto-tuned vocals on the latest Sabbath slab are any indication, Ozzy doesn't care - he does whatever the producers tell him.

Which is a shame, because Ozzy likes old records. He likes the Beatles and Hendrix.

I'll buy all of that as well, but like you say... if he WANTED to control the direction of everything, he has the experience to do so.

[InChiefsHeaven]

Originally Posted by Baconeater

Well you sucked when you were in Omaha back in 1985. I spent my hard earned money to see you "jam" and it was by far the worst live performance I've ever seen.

So go **** yourself Ozzy.

Ultimate Sin tour? That was my first concert ever...BOC opened up, and Ozzy's first song was Bark at the Moon...
...is that the show you are talking about? I loved it...but it WAS my first concert...

[Mennonite]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

But I'm sure that when sober, he's had enough experience in the business to have some kind of artistic control over his own music.

His "artistic control" led him to re-recording his first two solo albums in shittier quality, just so he could screw his old band mates out of their royalties.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/bob...rhoads-memory/

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Mennonite

His "artistic control" led him to re-recording his first two solo albums in shittier quality, just so he could screw his old band mates out of their royalties.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/bob...rhoads-memory/

And then there's that.

[tecumseh]

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Being in a band is a dying art and these kids today don't know how to jam...

...says Ozzy, guy who quit a band to spend most of his career solo and who, as far as I know, plays no instrument with which to jam.

Ok,cos. Your hearts in the right place but Ozzy was asked to leave Sabbath after the brutal 78' Never Say Die Tour with upncomers Van Halen. Ozzy was at his worst physically. Also, you can be a vocalist and jam with other musicians. The voice is an instrument if used as such.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Mennonite

His "artistic control" led him to re-recording his first two solo albums in shittier quality, just so he could screw his old band mates out of their royalties.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/bob...rhoads-memory/

Thats interesting, maybe I've given him too much credit.

Really shitty thing for him to do, cheating those guys out of royalties like that.

[tecumseh]

I don't think there are any shortage of bands. So Ozzy's wrong on that score. If he has a beef with how some types of music are being created , well, that's just a person out of touch with current reality. Which isn't much of a stretch , considering the source.

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by Baconeater

Well you sucked when you were in Omaha back in 1985. I spent my hard earned money to see you "jam" and it was by far the worst live performance I've ever seen.

So go **** yourself Ozzy.

One of the best shows I've ever seen was Ozzy. ****in guy started a riot.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Thats interesting, maybe I've given him too much credit.

Really shitty thing for him to do, cheating those guys out of royalties like that.

It's been rectified, Ozzy called it a mistake and something the he said I think was a 'business decision' that he had nothing to do with, that by the time he knew, the albums were out on the street and it took a while to get a proper remaster done (again) to re-release it.


I believe that he has so little to do with his own marketing and product that he had no clue.

So, it leads me to believe that lack of involvement extends to...well, everything - look at him.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

It's been rectified, Ozzy called it a mistake and something the he said I think was a 'business decision' that he had nothing to do with, that by the time he knew, the albums were out on the street and it took a while to get a proper remaster done (again) to re-release it.


I believe that he has so little to do with his own marketing and product that he had no clue.

So, it leads me to believe that lack of involvement extends to...well, everything - look at him.

Thats good to know, never figured him for someone with a conniving heart.

And MO is right, the man put on an incredible show when I saw him as well, Metallica was the opener... great night.

[Mennonite]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

It's been rectified, Ozzy called it a mistake and something the he said I think was a 'business decision' that he had nothing to do with, that by the time he knew, the albums were out on the street and it took a while to get a proper remaster done (again) to re-release it.


I believe that he has so little to do with his own marketing and product that he had no clue.

So, it leads me to believe that lack of involvement extends to...well, everything - look at him.

There were press releases from his wife at the time that it happened saying it was because they were being harassed by his former band mates.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that with the lawsuits, the publicity of the rereleases and the interviews that took place around that time that Ozzy could have been unaware. Hell, it was his current band that redid the tracks.

He's a liar. It's odd to feel disappointed in the morals of a guy who bites the heads off of small creatures, but I am.

[mikey23545]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Do you agree?



Ozzy Osbourne says the rise of technology in music means bands are losing the ability to jam and shape ideas together.

And the Black Sabbath icon – who's the subject of a free TeamRock iPad supplement – has first-hand experience of the phenomenon.

Ozzy tells Noisey.com: “The computer age is taking over and there's a lot of trickery. I've actually seen guys in bands. You go, 'Do you want to jam?' and they go, 'Jam? What's that?' Just playing anything together. They can't do it. 'I'll have to consult my computer first.' The art of being in a band is dying.”

The singer says he's always proud when another musician is influenced by Sabbath – and he doesn't just mean by the music.

He says: “I have people at Ozzfest going, 'Man, if it wasn't for Sabbath... we owe you so much.' I go, 'What part of this is influenced by Sabbath?' I get where they're coming from but it's not the music, it's what it says to the people.

“Metal has never had any rules. If you want me to do something, tell me not to. I've never played by any rules. My sole concern is to get on that stage and give the audience a great day out. I want to give my heart and soul when I play, and that's God's honest truth.”

Ozzy recently released his retrospective set Memoirs Of A Madman – after revealing that Sabbath are gearing up to record their final album next year.


http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news...d-is-dying-art

We're expected to believe that drug-addled mother****er can now form complete sentences?