Avengers 2

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Joss Whedon Talks Quicksilver, the Scarlet Witch and Iron Man's Roles in Avengers 2

Joss Whedon is certainly keeping busy with Marvel. Having written and directed the mega-blockbuster, The Avengers, he is now launching Marvel’s first live-action TV show, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., while also preparing Marvel's The Avengers 2.


I spoke to Whedon this week at ABC’s Upfront, where S.H.I.E.L.D. was being announced and asked him a couple of questions about Avengers 2 and some of the characters in it.

Whedon had previously alluded to a brother/sister duo being in the film, which EW later said was indeed Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. When I brought up Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch to Whedon, he confirmed they were the characters in question, explaining, “You know, they had a rough beginning. They’re interesting to me because they sort of represent the part of the world that wouldn’t necessarily agree with The Avengers. So they’re not there to make things easier. I’m not putting any characters in the movie that will make things easier.”

We also know Tony Stark/Iron Man plays another large role in the sequel, but the end of Iron Man 3 saw Tony destroying all the Iron Man suits we knew about, while seemingly stepping back from his time in the armor.

When I asked Whedon if that made it a challenge putting Iron Man in Avengers 2, he remarked, “Well, I feel like in Iron Man 3, even though he said, ‘I’ve changed' -- he blew up his remote suits, but I don’t think anybody thinks he doesn’t have one anymore. The question is, if The Avengers are called, does he show up? And the answer is, ‘Yes!’”

[salame]

I read that X-men/Marvel movie might be Cable and Deadpool

Which would be AWESOME

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

comic book geeks

Got a problem with that?

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Originally Posted by salame

I read that X-men/Marvel movie might be Cable and Deadpool

Which would be AWESOME

Cable is my favorite X-Factor character bar none

[bowener]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Because it was atrocious.

And the Human Torch is now Captain America.

In the new one the HT is gonna be black and Susan, his sister, will be white. LOL.

This really isn't a big deal. People are adopted all the time, and the FF aren't genetically endowed with their powers. They received them from a cosmic storm.

I could care less if JS is historically white. As long as a story is well written that is all that should matter. With that being said, this franchise will always be a steaming pile of shit.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Cable is my favorite X-Factor character bar none

I don't think he was ever in X-Factor.

He was in most of X-Force and his own titles...

[Aries Walker]

Here's the problem: Previously, black actors (Eartha Kitt, Michael Clarke Duncan, Samuel L. Jackson, Idris Elba) were hired because they were right for the character, and the fact that they were black was never addressed or mentioned in-story; they just happened to be so and it was no big deal. By race-flipping Jon Storm, and casting his sister as gleamingly white, the makers of Fantastic Four have to explain it in-story, which makes *it* the story. So it won't only be a bad movie, but a step back in superhero racial portrayals; comic books have enough of a problem with racial portrayals and can't afford that, but these are movie people making these choices, and they don't care so much about comic book problems.

This is stunt casting. This is hiring a black actor to play a traditionally white role to make the movie makers seem racially sensitive (especially to the more ethnically-diverse Millennials) and to get their movie talked about. This, plus hiring the Chronicle guy to do that kind of movie, plus basing it on the ridiculous "Ultimate" interpretation of the characters, plus it being so soon after the previous two movies, plus it being rushed through production, plus taking ten or twenty years off the characters' ages, plus hiring the youngest, mousiest looking nerd they could as Mr. Fantastic, and a thin, short dancer as the Thing, means this movie is going to su*******.

Suck, like Green Lantern suck. Really bad suck.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Aries Walker

Here's the problem: Previously, black actors (Eartha Kitt, Michael Clarke Duncan, Samuel L. Jackson, Idris Elba) were hired because they were right for the character, and the fact that they were black was never addressed or mentioned in-story; they just happened to be so and it was no big deal. By race-flipping Jon Storm, and casting his sister as gleamingly white, the makers of Fantastic Four have to explain it in-story, which makes *it* the story. So it won't only be a bad movie, but a step back in superhero racial portrayals; comic books have enough of a problem with racial portrayals and can't afford that, but these are movie people making these choices, and they don't care so much about comic book problems.

This is stunt casting. This is hiring a black actor to play a traditionally white role to make the movie makers seem racially sensitive (especially to the more ethnically-diverse Millennials) and to get their movie talked about. This, plus hiring the Chronicle guy to do that kind of movie, plus basing it on the ridiculous "Ultimate" interpretation of the characters, plus it being so soon after the previous two movies, plus it being rushed through production, plus taking ten or twenty years off the characters' ages, plus hiring the youngest, mousiest looking nerd they could as Mr. Fantastic, and a thin, short dancer as the Thing, means this movie is going to su*******.

Suck, like Green Lantern suck. Really bad suck.

With great black characters out there like Black Panther and Luke Cage you don't have to invent a reason. Make a movie about great characters you're ignoring...

[Aries Walker]

Luke Cage is in production; he's one of the four in the upcoming Netflix series.

Black Panther is a bit more problematic. For one thing, his name is Black Panther, which (although he wasn't intended this way) carries some political weight with it. He's also not American, wears a mask and black pajamas, and has no actual super-powers. It would have to be a movie about racism; there's not much of a way around it.

Personally, I'd put him, Daredevil and Moon Knight together in a three-buddy vigilante movie, set in Hell's Kitchen, in 1975 - but ideas like that are probably why I'm not in charge.

[ThaVirus]

I don't see an issue with Black Panther.

He's not American but he's a king. That's boss.

He doesn't have actual super powers, but the heart-shaped herb basically makes him Captain America level, physically speaking. That's boss.

Black Panther, especially given his costume and fighting demeanor, is really more a reference to black cats. Black big cats are boss.

His costume is not much different than any other superhero. Deadpool probably has the coolest costume of any superhero and it's basically just a red and black version of BP's. That's pretty boss.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by salame

I read that X-men/Marvel movie might be Cable and Deadpool

Which would be AWESOME

JIMP

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I don't see an issue with Black Panther.

He's not American but he's a king. That's boss.

He doesn't have actual super powers, but the heart-shaped herb basically makes him Captain America level, physically speaking. That's boss.

Black Panther, especially given his costume and fighting demeanor, is really more a reference to black cats. Black big cats are boss.

His costume is not much different than any other superhero. Deadpool probably has the coolest costume of any superhero and it's basically just a red and black version of BP's. That's pretty boss.

Dude rules his nation AND has the money of Tony Stark AND sits on a valuable (imaginary) mineral only found there. Which also happens to be what Cap's shield and a number of other supes tech is made out of.

And he got to bone Storm.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Aries Walker

Luke Cage is in production; he's one of the four in the upcoming Netflix series.

I forgot about that.

They screw it up I'll be pissed...

[Mecca]

Clamoring for Deadpool to be in a movie, you all know that Ryan Reynolds has been begging for that role for years right...wonder if he'll have the success with that one he had with Green Lantern.

[Aries Walker]

As long as they keep Brian Posehn to do the writing.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by Aries Walker

Luke Cage is in production; he's one of the four in the upcoming Netflix series.

Black Panther is a bit more problematic. For one thing, his name is Black Panther, which (although he wasn't intended this way) carries some political weight with it. He's also not American, wears a mask and black pajamas, and has no actual super-powers. It would have to be a movie about racism; there's not much of a way around it.

Personally, I'd put him, Daredevil and Moon Knight together in a three-buddy vigilante movie, set in Hell's Kitchen, in 1975 - but ideas like that are probably why I'm not in charge.

Hell I'd like to see that!