Patrick, Tyrann and friends have something to say

[Dante84]

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[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Most aren’t being arrested.

I don't think that's even close to being correct because as I mentioned, there were more than 560 arrests alone Saturday night in DTLA, all of which was broadcast on Live local TV for nearly 3 days straight.

But whatever the number, whether it's 7,000 or even 10,000 arrests across the country, it pales in comparison to the number of peaceful protesters.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by cwhocares

That is because the media now is worried about ratings and money. Violence sells. I am old enough to remember Frank Reynolds, Walter Cronkite, David Brinkley and Chet Huntley. I don't remember any of these people having and agenda. It would be nice if the media just reported the facts and let the viewer make up their own minds.

That changed a long time ago with the equal time shit they went to. The media stopped doing stories where they basically shit on someone for being a shithead. Now they give equal time to people that don't really deserve and you're supposed to decide...They treat it like shining a light on something is good when that approach isn't exactly awesome.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't think that's even close to being correct because as I mentioned, there were more than 560 arrests alone Saturday night in DTLA, all of which was broadcast on Live local TV for nearly 3 days straight.

But whatever the number, whether it's 7,000 or even 10,000 arrests across the country, it pales in comparison to the number of peaceful protesters.

if we're going there, how about all the cops (denver, where they shoot tear gas and then open fire on a car with a pregnant woman. I repeat. a pregnant woman) that are using this situation to gleefully abuse their position?!?

how about warning the proud boys before they are going to tear gas so they don't hurt their own? sorry, proud boys seem awfully close to a certain youth movement in germany in the early 1940's...

yeah. let's talk about that. that's what these players are trying to do. let's not move goalposts.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't think that's even close to being correct because as I mentioned, there were more than 560 arrests alone Saturday night in DTLA, all of which was broadcast on Live local TV for nearly 3 days straight.

But whatever the number, whether it's 7,000 or even 10,000 arrests across the country, it pales in comparison to the number of peaceful protesters.

Dane how can they possibly have possibly caught most of the rioters/protestors? It seems almost impossible given all the craziness and people wearing masks. At first, they were pretty much allowing it to happen too. The arrests didn’t start picking up until after.

Regardless, the person I originally quoted was talking specifically about rioters/looters and my point still stands.

It’s foolish think rioters/looters really care especially when they tell you they don’t.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

if we're going there, how about all the cops (denver, where they shoot tear gas and then open fire on a car with a pregnant woman. I repeat. a pregnant woman) that are using this situation to gleefully abuse their position?!?

how about warning the proud boys before they are going to tear gas so they don't hurt their own? sorry, proud boys seem awfully close to a certain youth movement in germany in the early 1940's...

yeah. let's talk about that. that's what these players are trying to do. let's not move goalposts.

It swings both ways, there are plenty of people that have been arrested for standing there and yelling. People shot in the face with rubber bullets, an old man got shoved to the ground for walking.

It swings both ways.

[Ebolapox]

are we forgetting that our founding fathers weren't anti-revolutionary/anti riot? boston tea party? boston massacre?

a black man is the reason we're sitting here on our computers arguing racism. crispus attucks. killed by british soldiers at the start of the boston massacre.

let's keep killing more innocent black men and see if they're just happy to be here, right?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Dane how can they possibly have possibly caught most of the rioters/protestors? It seems almost impossible given all the craziness and people wearing masks. At first, they were pretty much allowing it to happen.

Not in LA. Police cars set up barricades as did lines of policemen. There's no real way to "escape" in DTLA, especially with multiple helicopters overhead filming everything.

I saw the arrests live on TV Saturday from the Fairfax district and again, the police had up barricades everywhere.

Originally Posted by staylor26

It’s foolish think rioters/looters really care.

I must have missed this part of the conversation: Has someone actually said that the people looting care about this issue? I don't think that's the case, at all. That's just people taking advantage of a terrible situation.

But again, that's a very, very, very small percentage when compared to the total number of peaceful protesters across the country.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

are we forgetting that our founding fathers weren't anti-revolutionary/anti riot? boston tea party? boston massacre?

a black man is the reason we're sitting here on our computers arguing racism. crispus attucks. killed by british soldiers at the start of the boston massacre.

let's keep killing more innocent black men and see if they're just happy to be here, right?

I mean **** the constitution basically encourages citizens to rise up against the government, not that they want you to think about that anymore.

[mkp785]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Dane how can they possibly have possibly caught most of the rioters/protestors? It seems almost impossible given all the craziness and people wearing masks. At first, they were pretty much allowing it to happen too. The arrests didn’t start picking up until after.

Regardless, the person I originally quoted was talking specifically about rioters/looters and my point still stands.

It’s foolish think rioters/looters really care especially when they tell you they don’t.

Well, I'd point out that since the other cops were arrested and the increase in charges of the original one I think the violence has seen a significant drop among the protesters. Whether you watch Fox, CNN, MSNBC they all seem to agree that the looting has seen a drop-off recently.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I mean **** the constitution basically encourages citizens to rise up against the government, not that they want you to think about that anymore.

thomas jefferson once argued that there should be a bloody revolution every generation or so.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

[cwhocares]

Originally Posted by mkp785

Keep politics off the field but what're you're describing sounds a lot like taking away someone's 1st amendment rights. I don't know if you support allowing people to have guns to protect their family (I do) Sounds like you're against free speech, hopefully you're not against the right to bear arms. Is there any other parts of the constitution that you don't like? Where does it stop for you then? Do you want to tell the players what to wear, who to date, let us know where the overreach into ending people's amendments issue stop? Players are people too and have rights just like all of us do.

In your private life you have all of the options of the constitution. I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with anyone who wants to protest on the rights given to us by the Constitution. On the job you have to abide by the rules of the company or they will let you go. If you go into work everyday and start saying that upper management is terrible and start creating dissension among the employees, you will be warned. The company wants harmony to be able to maintain production. If you continue, you will be let go. The First amendment guarantees your right of free speech but it does not guarantee there won't be repercussions from it. The NFL already tells the players what they can wear because the players are employed by the company. If the don't abide, there are repercussions.

[Ebolapox]

this is true, but do you think the chiefs are dictating SHIT to mahomes right now? you think we'll walk away from a once a century talent who is young and hungry still after winning you a super bowl? clark hunt is not that ****ing dumb. he'll become the biggest BLM supporter if it's what it takes to placate the literal franchise

[Mecca]

Colin Kaepernick would still be on a team if he was an elite player. He was deemed that he wasn't good enough for the headache, had say DeShaun Watson done it, he'd still be playing.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Colin Kaepernick would still be on a team if he was an elite player. He was deemed that he wasn't good enough for the headache, had say DeShaun Watson done it, he'd still be playing.

You’d think this would be obvious based on the fact that many players that did kneel are still in the NFL.

[mkp785]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Their very first demand to the NFL is to condemn racism. Not police brutality, but racism. So how else should one respond to that beyond a discussion about racial issues? Nobody can honestly say this is just about police brutality towards black people. They aren’t even saying that.

I just watched it again to make sure I wasn't missing anything. They never said 'demand' they requested the NFL say something. As to the rest of your point the NFL should condemn racism-that's a good thing. Black, white, asian, latino and everyone else should get along and the NFL should back that statement. If they wanna make the statement then they can.

I'd also point out that a lot of what people had a problem with Kaep doing was that he did it during a game and if he did it while not playing for the team then they wouldn't have a problem with it. Would you agree that making this statement made during the summer on their own time qualifies for that? You're cool with people expressing their 1st amendment rights I assume....?