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Old 09-14-2011, 08:46 AM  
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NASA Unveils New Giant Rocket for Deep Space Missions

http://www.space.com/12941-nasa-unve...ch-system.html

NASA has finally revealed its design for the agency's next-generation heavy-lift rocket to carry astronauts on future deep space missions.

The agency announced today (Sept. 14) that the Space Launch System (SLS) will include hardware and technology that are legacies from the space shuttle and now-defunct Constellation programs. The $10 billion booster will use liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen fuel, and will have solid rocket boosters for initial tests flights, agency officials said.

NASA administrator and former space shuttle astronaut Charles Bolden unveiled the new design during a press conference at the Senate Dirksen Building in Washington. [Photos and Video of NASA's New Giant Rocket]

"This launch system will create good-paying American jobs, ensure continued U.S. leadership in space, and inspire millions around the world," Bolden said in a statement. "President Obama challenged us to be bold and dream big, and that's exactly what we are doing at NASA. While I was proud to fly on the space shuttle, kids today can now dream of one day walking on Mars."

The rocket's first test flight is targeted for the end of 2017, agency officials said in a statement.

Last year, Obama challenged NASA to send astronauts to an asteroid by 2025 and on to Mars by the mid-2030s, shaping the agency's deep space exploration plan following the retirement of the 30-year space shuttle program. [Gallery: NASA's SLS Rocket for Deep Space Flights]

The Space Launch System is a cornerstone of the plan to launch a crewed space capsule on deep space missions beyond low-Earth orbit. This capsule, called the Orion Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle (MPCV), is based heavily on initial designs for NASA's Orion spacecraft in the moon-oriented Constellation program that was canceled last year.

"NASA has been making steady progress toward realizing the president's goal of deep space exploration, while doing so in a more affordable way," NASA deputy administrator Lori Garver said in a statement. "We have been driving down the costs on the Space Launch System and Orion contracts by adopting new ways of doing business and project hundreds of millions of dollars of savings each year."

Bolden was joined for the announcement today by U.S. Senators Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas) and Bill Nelson (D-Fla.), who have both been steadfast SLS supporters.

The huge rocket has been embroiled in controversy, and lawmakers have accused the White House and NASA of stalling on fixing the rocket's design plans and inflating budget estimates for the new booster.

Last week, two U.S. senators accused the Obama administration of trying to sabotage the next-generation launch vehicle by "wildly" inflating the program's cost. The accusation came after internal NASA cost estimates totaling nearly $63 billion through 2025 were leaked in a report published in The Wall Street Journal.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:45 PM   #16
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Sometimes I hate it when you answer this way. What part of this does not indicate that cost per booster:

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The $10 billion booster will use liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen fuel, and will have solid rocket boosters for initial tests flights, agency officials said.
If you other information to better explain this (evidently) poorly worded sentence, please share with the uneducated masses.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:47 PM   #17
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Am I reading that right, a $10B rocket? As in each rocket will cost that much?

I am a big supporter of space travel but that is crazy expensive. We really do need to get private industry more involved, they will do it for less money and only those interested can risk their money instead of doing it on a federal level.
Development of the main rocket booster should cost $10B. It will cost more for the manned crew capsule, etc..

Development, not cost. The link and videos start to make a bit more sense about that distinction.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:47 PM   #18
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Using liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen fuel will enable NASA to reduce costs and leverage experience and existing technology in the field, Bolden explained. While the rocket component of the SLS is expected to cost $10 billion, the entire program (which includes work on the deep space capsule and upgrades to the agency's Kennedy Space Center launch site) will be about $18 billion through the first test flight in 2017. That's about $3 billion per year, NASA officials said.

http://www.space.com/12941-nasa-unve...ch-system.html

Somehow only a portion of the article made it into the OP.
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:50 PM   #19
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Sometimes I hate it when you answer this way. What part of this does not indicate that cost per booster:



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Old 09-14-2011, 12:57 PM   #20
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:01 PM   #21
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Using liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen fuel will enable NASA to reduce costs and leverage experience and existing technology in the field, Bolden explained. While the rocket component of the SLS is expected to cost $10 billion, the entire program (which includes work on the deep space capsule and upgrades to the agency's Kennedy Space Center launch site) will be about $18 billion through the first test flight in 2017. That's about $3 billion per year, NASA officials said.

http://www.space.com/12941-nasa-unve...ch-system.html

Somehow only a portion of the article made it into the OP.
Heh, still worded to sound like the rocket component has that cost, not the development. I get it but wow, poorly constructed.

In a time when we have missiles that cost over $1M a piece that we are just going to blow up and planes that costs tens of millions apiece it is not out of the realm of believability that an advance rocket for deep space travel could have that kind of cost involved.

Anyway, thank you for the additional information. It explains much more than "No."
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Old 09-14-2011, 01:10 PM   #22
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Last year, Obama challenged NASA to send astronauts to Mars by the mid-2010s 2020s 2030s
What's next? A plan to return to suborbital Mercury missions by the 2040s?
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Old 09-14-2011, 02:46 PM   #23
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Yes, it does. The first stage appears to be powered by five of the engines used on the shuttle, with massive help from two shuttle SRBs. The second stage is apparently powered by a single J-2 engine, which powered the second and third stage on the Saturn V.
And that costs 63 billion dollars?? Is they already is tried and true technology the price tag should be a hell of a lot lower.
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Heh, still worded to sound like the rocket component has that cost, not the development. I get it but wow, poorly constructed.
Yeah, it wasn't until the last line that it was really clear.. "That's about $3 billion per year, NASA officials said."
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And that costs 63 billion dollars?? Is they already is tried and true technology the price tag should be a hell of a lot lower.
No shit.

I can't wait to read next that for $40 billion dollars we may be able to reproduce the Wright Brother's first flight by the year 2065 as long as we can find a working example of one of the gasoline engines they used in 1902 to power the aircraft...
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The Orion ship does it's first test flight on December 4th with the help of some Delta IV rockets.

I've been invited to go as a "social media influencer", somehow... and am really stoked to see this in person. I'll be touring the facility and watching the launch live. I'm thinking that a GoPro might be the best way to video this... I don't want my face in my phone trying to take pictures.

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The Orion ship does it's first test flight on December 4th with the help of some Delta IV rockets.

I've been invited to go as a "social media influencer", somehow... and am really stoked to see this in person. I'll be touring the facility and watching the launch live. I'm thinking that a GoPro might be the best way to video this... I don't want my face in my phone trying to take pictures.

http://www.space.com/27560-orion-cap...ght-video.html
Take me and I'll bring one of my canons that does video. Or borrow a 4k video camera.
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