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Old 02-19-2018, 08:25 AM  
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Trump open to improving background checks, spokesman says

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/19/polit...ida/index.html

West Palm Beach, Florida (CNN)President Donald Trump "is supportive of efforts to improve the federal background check system" for gun purchases, less than a week after the Florida school shooting that killed 17 people.

Principal Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah said in a statement on Monday that Trump spoke with Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, on Friday about a bill he introduced with Sen. Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat, that aims to strengthen how state and federal governments report offenses that could prohibit people from buying a gun.

"While discussions are ongoing and revisions are being considered, the President is supportive of efforts to improve the federal background check system," Shah said. Students, teachers and lawmakers have urged Trump and other Republican lawmakers to take action on guns in the wake of the Parkland, Florida, shooting.

Trump, however, ran for president as a pro-gun candidate and tied himself to the National Rifle Association throughout the campaign. He also said he was open to banning bump stocks in the wake of last fall's Las Vegas shooting, but there hasn't been significant further action by the White House on that front.

Trump's only action on guns as president undid restrictions aimed at mental illness by signing a measure that nixed a regulation that required the Social Security Administration to disclose information quarterly to the national gun background check system about certain people with mental illness. It's unclear whether that measure would have helped prevent last week's massacre.

A pro-gun candidate

Though Trump ran as an anti-gun control candidate in 2016, before he was a political figure he backed a ban on assault weapons and a longer waiting period for people to buy a weapon.

"I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun," he wrote in his 2000 book, "The America We Deserve." "With today's Internet technology, we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record."

Trump, who said at a 2016 debate that he no longer supported an assault-weapons ban, made gun rights a centerpiece of his campaign.

"The Second Amendment is on the ballot in November," he said at an NRA gathering during the 2016 campaign. "The only way to save our Second Amendment is to vote for a person that you all know named Donald Trump."
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:12 AM   #16
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I don't disagree, but in the context of a faceless database, what did he do that was illegal that would have been in a database that someone could have used to say no at a public legitimate place that sells firearms?
Nothing. And that's the problem. Even people with serious red flags are allowed to buy guns under the current system.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:14 AM   #17
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Nothing. And that's the problem. Even people with serious red flags are allowed to buy guns under the current system.
Primarily in the area of mental illness. The NICS does a pretty good job with felons.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:24 AM   #18
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Nothing. And that's the problem. Even people with serious red flags are allowed to buy guns under the current system.
Then if he did nothing, he did nothing. There is no law that's going to fix that. There is no legislative solution to a spiritual problem. I think the answer is having police in the schools. In fact...why are schools and police stations in separate buildings? Maybe it's time they are in the same building.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:28 AM   #19
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I expect this will go nowhere just like the bump stock debate.
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Old 02-19-2018, 10:49 AM   #20
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I expect this will go nowhere just like the bump stock debate.
I really don't have any issue with an expanded background check. As far the bump stocks, that's nothing more than feel good legislation. You don't need a bump stock to bump fire. This is fun to do once in awhile, but it's a good way to waste a lot of ammo.

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Old 02-19-2018, 10:51 AM   #21
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Schools need to be a hardened environment regardless. Protect the kids! But no, we need astroturf for football and the teachers need a nice lounge.....oh and lets hire more administrators. Priorities...we do not have them
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:04 AM   #22
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Nothing. And that's the problem. Even people with serious red flags are allowed to buy guns under the current system.
What is the threshold of mental illness that will prevent someone from buying a gun?

Is being diagnosed with depression or even severe depression enough?

What about autism?
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:05 AM   #23
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Schools need to be a hardened environment regardless. Protect the kids! But no, we need astroturf for football and the teachers need a nice lounge.....oh and lets hire more administrators. Priorities...we do not have them
The "astroturf" is actually giving the kids Hodgkin's-lymphoma because the little tire pieces are getting in the kid's eyes.
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I really don't have any issue with an expanded background check. As far the bump stocks, that's nothing more than feel good legislation. You don't need a bump stock to bump fire. This is fun to do once in awhile, but it's a good way to waste a lot of ammo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2YL...ature=youtu.be
Everybody says they are for expanded background checks but it never goes anywhere. It is not going to solve most of the problems but it couldn't hurt. They need to include people that are on the terrorist watch list as well.
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:06 AM   #25
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What is the threshold of mental illness that will prevent someone from buying a gun?

Is being diagnosed with depression or even severe depression enough?

What about autism?
What about everyone is diverse and should probably be adjudicated by a judge based on the work of trained and licensed medical professionals on a case-by-case basis?
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Schools need to be a hardened environment regardless. Protect the kids! But no, we need astroturf for football and the teachers need a nice lounge.....oh and lets hire more administrators. Priorities...we do not have them
Outside of the fact nobody wants to send their kid to a prison school with school budgets already tight or being cut who is going to pay for this?
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What is the threshold of mental illness that will prevent someone from buying a gun?

Is being diagnosed with depression or even severe depression enough?

What about autism?
Another problem: mental illness isn't a static characteristic. People who aren't mentally ill (and especially people who aren't diagnosed as mentally ill) this year will be mentally ill next year.
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No wait period and no more gun bans and I'll support it.

First off, prohibition has never solved anything
Second, the 2nd Amendment does not stipulate a wait period. It's your right, right now. People shall be able to defend themselves immediately. Not after 72 hours.

The second amendment can only be removed by a Constitutional Amendment process. Neither the EB or the congress can remove it on their own or working together. The States would have to agree.
Truth. I have committed no crime. If I get a hair up my butt and decide to go to town right now and buy a gun, there is absolutely no reason I shouldn't be allowed to. Gun owners have already bent over backwards too much as it is. Sure, we all want these mass shootings to end, but I am not willing to give up anymore of my freedom to do it. My freedoms were bought with the sweat and blood of my ancestors, I am not willing to spit in their eye and give them up
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Then if he did nothing, he did nothing. There is no law that's going to fix that. There is no legislative solution to a spiritual problem. I think the answer is having police in the schools. In fact...why are schools and police stations in separate buildings? Maybe it's time they are in the same building.
I have never thought about that. That is an intriguing idea. Both taxpayer funded so it would be cheaper in the long run. Of course, that would be just from this point forward. We cant rebuild every police/school in the nation on a whim. Interesting idea
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Truth. I have committed no crime. If I get a hair up my butt and decide to go to town right now and buy a gun, there is absolutely no reason I shouldn't be allowed to. Gun owners have already bent over backwards too much as it is. Sure, we all want these mass shootings to end, but I am not willing to give up anymore of my freedom to do it. My freedoms were bought with the sweat and blood of my ancestors, I am not willing to spit in their eye and give them up
Yep. Especially when there are other solutions available to us.

First...get the illegals out of our country. I am not saying they are the main problem, but they do overload the system in other places taking away focus from more important issues. Secure our border. Everyone shouold be in favor of this

Second... have police in the schools. Heck, the police could just setup shop there. Especially in inner cities. This should create opportunities to increase community trust. Everyone should be in favor of this

Third...we need to stop blaming society every time these happen and start holding the people that do it accountable.

4th - Stop trying to take away the rights of law abiding citizens. It's such a stupid argument because criminals don't follow the laws. Why the **** would they care about you new law

5th - enforcing laws cost money and have to be able to b enforced. Half the crap people suggest can't be reasonably enforced anyway.
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