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Old 02-19-2018, 08:25 AM  
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Trump open to improving background checks, spokesman says

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/19/polit...ida/index.html

West Palm Beach, Florida (CNN)President Donald Trump "is supportive of efforts to improve the federal background check system" for gun purchases, less than a week after the Florida school shooting that killed 17 people.

Principal Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah said in a statement on Monday that Trump spoke with Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, on Friday about a bill he introduced with Sen. Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat, that aims to strengthen how state and federal governments report offenses that could prohibit people from buying a gun.

"While discussions are ongoing and revisions are being considered, the President is supportive of efforts to improve the federal background check system," Shah said. Students, teachers and lawmakers have urged Trump and other Republican lawmakers to take action on guns in the wake of the Parkland, Florida, shooting.

Trump, however, ran for president as a pro-gun candidate and tied himself to the National Rifle Association throughout the campaign. He also said he was open to banning bump stocks in the wake of last fall's Las Vegas shooting, but there hasn't been significant further action by the White House on that front.

Trump's only action on guns as president undid restrictions aimed at mental illness by signing a measure that nixed a regulation that required the Social Security Administration to disclose information quarterly to the national gun background check system about certain people with mental illness. It's unclear whether that measure would have helped prevent last week's massacre.

A pro-gun candidate

Though Trump ran as an anti-gun control candidate in 2016, before he was a political figure he backed a ban on assault weapons and a longer waiting period for people to buy a weapon.

"I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun," he wrote in his 2000 book, "The America We Deserve." "With today's Internet technology, we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record."

Trump, who said at a 2016 debate that he no longer supported an assault-weapons ban, made gun rights a centerpiece of his campaign.

"The Second Amendment is on the ballot in November," he said at an NRA gathering during the 2016 campaign. "The only way to save our Second Amendment is to vote for a person that you all know named Donald Trump."
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Old 02-19-2018, 08:25 AM   #2
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Old 02-19-2018, 08:52 AM   #3
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:14 AM   #4
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No wait period and no more gun bans and I'll support it.

First off, prohibition has never solved anything
Second, the 2nd Amendment does not stipulate a wait period. It's your right, right now. People shall be able to defend themselves immediately. Not after 72 hours.

The second amendment can only be removed by a Constitutional Amendment process. Neither the EB or the congress can remove it on their own or working together. The States would have to agree.

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Old 02-19-2018, 09:27 AM   #5
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I believe that NRA has said they would support efforts to improve the background check system. There is really no reason to not support that. Currently states do not have to send criminal records or records on those declared mentally ill.
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I believe that NRA has said they would support efforts to improve the background check system. There is really no reason to not support that. Currently states do not have to send criminal records or records on those declared mentally ill.
Everyone is relatively fine with this I'm sure
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:37 AM   #7
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I believe that NRA has said they would support efforts to improve the background check system. There is really no reason to not support that. Currently states do not have to send criminal records or records on those declared mentally ill.
But it's the state that does the background check and many states do track if someone has been adjudicated as mentally deficient.
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But it's the state that does the background check and many states do track if someone has been adjudicated as mentally deficient.

What background check does the state do? The NICS is operated by the FBI. The system does not have full information from the states, thats hole that needs to be closed.
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What background check does the state do? The NICS is operated by the FBI. The system does not have full information from the states, thats hole that needs to be closed.
NICS is the system, but the state, at least in Colorado, actually does the background check.
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What background check does the state do? The NICS is operated by the FBI. The system does not have full information from the states, thats hole that needs to be closed.
I think the vast majority of gun owners agree that the background check needs the full information from the states. There should be no way a kid like Nikolas Cruz should be able to buy a gun.
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I think the vast majority of gun owners agree that the background check needs the full information from the states. There should be no way a kid like Nikolas Cruz should be able to buy a gun.
Had Cruz broken any laws prior such that his Second Amendment Rights should have been refused?
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NICS is the system, but the state, at least in Colorado, actually does the background check.
Yest Colo does administer it but they run through NICS...then add additional checks of state records. But the basis is NICS and it has real gaps in data.

The call to NICS is done via phone when you fill out the gun purchase form....Colorado requires CBI to transmit a request for a background check in connection with the prospective transfer of a firearm to the NICS system and authorizes CBI to search other databases. CBI must deny a transfer of a firearm to a prospective transferee if the transfer would violate federal or state law

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/bac...urch-shooting/
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Had Cruz broken any laws prior such that his Second Amendment Rights should have been refused?


He absolutely exhibited behavior that should have nullified his gun rights until he could demonstrate mental capacity to own a weapon.
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He absolutely exhibited behavior that should have nullified his gun rights until he could demonstrate mental capacity to own a weapon.
I don't disagree, but in the context of a faceless database, what did he do that was illegal that would have been in a database that someone could have used to say no at a public legitimate place that sells firearms?
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He absolutely exhibited behavior that should have nullified his gun rights until he could demonstrate mental capacity to own a weapon.


Therein lies an issue. Currently you have to have been judged by the court to be mentally ill to be denied a purchase. Second hole is the system (NICS) is not populated with even that data from all states.

How do we get to a fair and reasonable way to deny a purchase to a crazy but not make the background check a weapon for the anti 2nd A types?
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