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Old 02-19-2018, 08:25 AM   Topic Starter
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Trump open to improving background checks, spokesman says

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West Palm Beach, Florida (CNN)President Donald Trump "is supportive of efforts to improve the federal background check system" for gun purchases, less than a week after the Florida school shooting that killed 17 people.

Principal Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah said in a statement on Monday that Trump spoke with Sen. John Cornyn, a Texas Republican, on Friday about a bill he introduced with Sen. Chris Murphy, a Connecticut Democrat, that aims to strengthen how state and federal governments report offenses that could prohibit people from buying a gun.

"While discussions are ongoing and revisions are being considered, the President is supportive of efforts to improve the federal background check system," Shah said. Students, teachers and lawmakers have urged Trump and other Republican lawmakers to take action on guns in the wake of the Parkland, Florida, shooting.

Trump, however, ran for president as a pro-gun candidate and tied himself to the National Rifle Association throughout the campaign. He also said he was open to banning bump stocks in the wake of last fall's Las Vegas shooting, but there hasn't been significant further action by the White House on that front.

Trump's only action on guns as president undid restrictions aimed at mental illness by signing a measure that nixed a regulation that required the Social Security Administration to disclose information quarterly to the national gun background check system about certain people with mental illness. It's unclear whether that measure would have helped prevent last week's massacre.

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Though Trump ran as an anti-gun control candidate in 2016, before he was a political figure he backed a ban on assault weapons and a longer waiting period for people to buy a weapon.

"I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun," he wrote in his 2000 book, "The America We Deserve." "With today's Internet technology, we should be able to tell within 72 hours if a potential gun owner has a record."

Trump, who said at a 2016 debate that he no longer supported an assault-weapons ban, made gun rights a centerpiece of his campaign.

"The Second Amendment is on the ballot in November," he said at an NRA gathering during the 2016 campaign. "The only way to save our Second Amendment is to vote for a person that you all know named Donald Trump."
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Old 02-19-2018, 08:25 AM   #2
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Old 02-19-2018, 08:52 AM   #3
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Old 02-19-2018, 09:14 AM   #4
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No wait period and no more gun bans and I'll support it.

First off, prohibition has never solved anything
Second, the 2nd Amendment does not stipulate a wait period. It's your right, right now. People shall be able to defend themselves immediately. Not after 72 hours.

The second amendment can only be removed by a Constitutional Amendment process. Neither the EB or the congress can remove it on their own or working together. The States would have to agree.

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Old 02-19-2018, 11:10 AM   #5
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No wait period and no more gun bans and I'll support it.

First off, prohibition has never solved anything
Second, the 2nd Amendment does not stipulate a wait period. It's your right, right now. People shall be able to defend themselves immediately. Not after 72 hours.

The second amendment can only be removed by a Constitutional Amendment process. Neither the EB or the congress can remove it on their own or working together. The States would have to agree.
Truth. I have committed no crime. If I get a hair up my butt and decide to go to town right now and buy a gun, there is absolutely no reason I shouldn't be allowed to. Gun owners have already bent over backwards too much as it is. Sure, we all want these mass shootings to end, but I am not willing to give up anymore of my freedom to do it. My freedoms were bought with the sweat and blood of my ancestors, I am not willing to spit in their eye and give them up
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Old 02-19-2018, 11:17 AM   #6
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Truth. I have committed no crime. If I get a hair up my butt and decide to go to town right now and buy a gun, there is absolutely no reason I shouldn't be allowed to. Gun owners have already bent over backwards too much as it is. Sure, we all want these mass shootings to end, but I am not willing to give up anymore of my freedom to do it. My freedoms were bought with the sweat and blood of my ancestors, I am not willing to spit in their eye and give them up
Yep. Especially when there are other solutions available to us.

First...get the illegals out of our country. I am not saying they are the main problem, but they do overload the system in other places taking away focus from more important issues. Secure our border. Everyone shouold be in favor of this

Second... have police in the schools. Heck, the police could just setup shop there. Especially in inner cities. This should create opportunities to increase community trust. Everyone should be in favor of this

Third...we need to stop blaming society every time these happen and start holding the people that do it accountable.

4th - Stop trying to take away the rights of law abiding citizens. It's such a stupid argument because criminals don't follow the laws. Why the **** would they care about you new law

5th - enforcing laws cost money and have to be able to b enforced. Half the crap people suggest can't be reasonably enforced anyway.
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Old 02-19-2018, 03:44 PM   #7
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Truth. I have committed no crime. If I get a hair up my butt and decide to go to town right now and buy a gun, there is absolutely no reason I shouldn't be allowed to. Gun owners have already bent over backwards too much as it is. Sure, we all want these mass shootings to end, but I am not willing to give up anymore of my freedom to do it. My freedoms were bought with the sweat and blood of my ancestors, I am not willing to spit in their eye and give them up
How in the hell have you bent over backwards? The NRA is on a 40-year unblemished winning streak at the national level. In every red state gun laws have gotten laxer and concealed and open-carry easier.
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How in the hell have you bent over backwards? The NRA is on a 40-year unblemished winning streak at the national level. In every red state gun laws have gotten laxer and concealed and open-carry easier.
I cannot walk up to the counter, lay down my cash, and buy a pistol. That's just for starters. I'm not allowed a fully automatic rifle, or a 50 round clip etc.

Just a few examples. I'm not a criminal, my constitutional rights shouldn't be crapped on just because it helps you sleep better at night. Not even saying I particularly care about any of those rights I have lost, but it doesn't change the fact I have lost them!!
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How in the hell have you bent over backwards? The NRA is on a 40-year unblemished winning streak at the national level. In every red state gun laws have gotten laxer and concealed and open-carry easier.
and crime is in a down trend. you are welcome
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I believe that NRA has said they would support efforts to improve the background check system. There is really no reason to not support that. Currently states do not have to send criminal records or records on those declared mentally ill.
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I believe that NRA has said they would support efforts to improve the background check system. There is really no reason to not support that. Currently states do not have to send criminal records or records on those declared mentally ill.
Everyone is relatively fine with this I'm sure
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I believe that NRA has said they would support efforts to improve the background check system. There is really no reason to not support that. Currently states do not have to send criminal records or records on those declared mentally ill.
But it's the state that does the background check and many states do track if someone has been adjudicated as mentally deficient.
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But it's the state that does the background check and many states do track if someone has been adjudicated as mentally deficient.

What background check does the state do? The NICS is operated by the FBI. The system does not have full information from the states, thats hole that needs to be closed.
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What background check does the state do? The NICS is operated by the FBI. The system does not have full information from the states, thats hole that needs to be closed.
NICS is the system, but the state, at least in Colorado, actually does the background check.
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NICS is the system, but the state, at least in Colorado, actually does the background check.
Yest Colo does administer it but they run through NICS...then add additional checks of state records. But the basis is NICS and it has real gaps in data.

The call to NICS is done via phone when you fill out the gun purchase form....Colorado requires CBI to transmit a request for a background check in connection with the prospective transfer of a firearm to the NICS system and authorizes CBI to search other databases. CBI must deny a transfer of a firearm to a prospective transferee if the transfer would violate federal or state law

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