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Old 04-04-2018, 09:11 AM  
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Britain Can’t Prove Russia Behind Poisoning, Still Talks Retaliation

Scientists can't say where poison came from

Weeks of repeatedly blaming the Russian government for the Salisbury poisonings is starting to look pretty embarrassing for the British government. Today, scientists at Porton Down said they were unable to say where the poison actually came from.

British officials, of course, are undeterred in their accusations, and a spokesman for Prime Minister Theresa May talked openly about Britain’s desire to retaliate in some “proportionate” way to the poisoning of a former Russian spy and his daughter.
May is a globalist imperialist and reckless cuck, endangering the world with such talk bringing us to the brink of war. IMO it's all designed, to keep Trump in a box on improving relations with Russia which is not just in our interests but the world's.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:34 AM   #16
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I suppose antiwar.com would like to see a tracking number, or something.
If there were one it'd be doctored, and if Vlad himself said "Yeah it was us, whatayagonnado?" then that video would be doctored, and if someone with an impeccable pedigree finally admitted it really was Russia, then it wouldn't be any of our business anyway because nations shouldn't have allies.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:43 AM   #17
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What does Vladimir Putin gain by killing an agent using nerve gas on foreign soil over plugging the guy in the temple with a pistol?

Whatever you want to say about Putin, you can't say that he's stupid. Using nerve gas to assassinate a political enemy on foreign soil would be stupid, inefficient, and for what?

Cui bono?
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:44 AM   #18
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What does Vladimir Putin gain by killing an agent using nerve gas on foreign soil over plugging the guy in the temple with a pistol?

Whatever you want to say about Putin, you can't say that he's stupid. Using nerve gas to assassinate a political enemy on foreign soil would be stupid, inefficient, and for what?

Cui bono?
Are you familiar with the "Russian strong man"?
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:45 AM   #19
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If there were one it'd be doctored, and if Vlad himself said "Yeah it was us, whatayagonnado?" then that video would be doctored, and if someone with an impeccable pedigree finally admitted it really was Russia, then it wouldn't be any of our business anyway because nations shouldn't have allies.
I love these "conservatives" whose first instinct is to truth the UK government - or hell any Western government. It's like a reflex with them.

So many of you followed these clowns into war in Iraq, and kicked sand in my eyes with them for questioning it from day one. Let's not make that mistake again. See these people for who they are. They are more than willing to show you who they are. Believe them.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:48 AM   #20
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I love these "conservatives" whose first instinct is to truth the UK government - or hell any Western government. It's like a reflex with them.

So many of you followed these clowns into war in Iraq, and kicked sand in my eyes with them for questioning it from day one. Let's not make that mistake again. See these people for who they are. They are more than willing to show you who they are. Believe them.
Are you suggesting that as conservatives (or anything else), we should trust Russia and Putin more than our allies?
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:53 AM   #21
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What does Vladimir Putin gain by killing an agent using nerve gas on foreign soil over plugging the guy in the temple with a pistol?

Whatever you want to say about Putin, you can't say that he's stupid. Using nerve gas to assassinate a political enemy on foreign soil would be stupid, inefficient, and for what?

Cui bono?
It’s not much of a warning if people mistake it for random violence. They wanted people to know who was behind the assassnation.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:54 AM   #22
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I wonder how much of antiwar.com’s financing comes from Russia.
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Old 04-04-2018, 12:02 PM   #23
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They need to do what needs to be done and not discuss it in the media. Hit harder, quieter.
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Old 04-04-2018, 12:14 PM   #24
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What does Vladimir Putin gain by killing an agent using nerve gas on foreign soil over plugging the guy in the temple with a pistol?

Whatever you want to say about Putin, you can't say that he's stupid. Using nerve gas to assassinate a political enemy on foreign soil would be stupid, inefficient, and for what?

Cui bono?
Here's another classic conspiracy theorist diversionary tactic, the "False because it doesn't explain 'why'" fallacy.

The supposed lack of a perfect understanding of the motivations of those involved does not refute the known facts.

It's clear that Novichok, a military grade nerve agent, was used in the attack. Russia is the only country known to have stockpiled Novichok. Russia is known to have have investigated ways of delivering nerve agents to foreign targets for assassination. Russia is known to carry out assassinations overseas and is known to view dissidents and former intelligence assets as targets. Russia is the only state for which the two prominent victims of assassination attempts in the UK formerly served.

Any reasonable person would look at these facts and lean toward the idea that Russia probably did this.

As far as "why", in this case it's obvious. Russia has long attempted to intimidate political opponents, former intelligence assets, and any of those which could produce damaging information against them by killing those overseas. It's obvious that the state derives some benefit from keeping future informants in fear of talking because they can and will reach you anywhere on earth, and in this case, maybe your children too.

One's straitjacket has to be tied so tightly to act like the prevailing explanation for this event is impossible or even implausible, it's just patently absurd.
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Old 04-04-2018, 12:16 PM   #25
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What does Vladimir Putin gain by killing an agent using nerve gas on foreign soil over plugging the guy in the temple with a pistol?

Whatever you want to say about Putin, you can't say that he's stupid. Using nerve gas to assassinate a political enemy on foreign soil would be stupid, inefficient, and for what?

Cui bono?
Seth Rich gets killed by a mugger. There is ZERO evidence to indicate that it was anything other than a random act of violence. The US Department of Intelligence concluded this had nothing to do with Hillary Clinton or the leaked DNC emails. Seth Rich's parents condemned the conspiracy theorists and said they were disgusting sociopaths who were exploiting their son's death for political gain. Fox News retracted its story that had originally claimed that Seth Rich's murder was linked to the leaked DNC emails. Yet Taco John is absolutely convinced that it was a hit ordered by Clinton.

A former Russian spy on Putin's hit list gets killed with Russian nerve gas in Britain. The British government concludes that Russia was behind it. Yet Taco John is absolutely convinced that it was simply an act of random violence.

Which is more appropriate here?
  1. Let that sink in.
  2. You can't make this shit up.
  3. This is just TJ being TJ. We shouldn't be surprised because TJ is an idiot.
  4. TJ is delusional. It's surprising that he can manage to feed himself and tie his own shoes.
  5. All of the above.
#5 is obviously the correct answer.
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Old 04-04-2018, 12:44 PM   #26
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They haven't even proven the nerve agent was produced in Russia...


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Old 04-04-2018, 12:45 PM   #27
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Here's another classic conspiracy theorist diversionary tactic, the "False because it doesn't explain 'why'" fallacy.

The supposed lack of a perfect understanding of the motivations of those involved does not refute the known facts.

It's clear that Novichok, a military grade nerve agent, was used in the attack. Russia is the only country known to have stockpiled Novichok. Russia is known to have have investigated ways of delivering nerve agents to foreign targets for assassination. Russia is known to carry out assassinations overseas and is known to view dissidents and former intelligence assets as targets. Russia is the only state for which the two prominent victims of assassination attempts in the UK formerly served.

Any reasonable person would look at these facts and lean toward the idea that Russia probably did this.

As far as "why", in this case it's obvious. Russia has long attempted to intimidate political opponents, former intelligence assets, and any of those which could produce damaging information against them by killing those overseas. It's obvious that the state derives some benefit from keeping future informants in fear of talking because they can and will reach you anywhere on earth, and in this case, maybe your children too.

One's straitjacket has to be tied so tightly to act like the prevailing explanation for this event is impossible or even implausible, it's just patently absurd.
Lies.
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Old 04-04-2018, 12:46 PM   #28
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Yet Taco John is absolutely convinced that it was simply an act of random violence.

I never said it was an act of random violence. There's nothing random about this.

What I have said is simple: Cui bono?
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Old 04-04-2018, 12:58 PM   #29
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They haven't even proven the nerve agent was produced in Russia...


The nerve agent is Novichok. That particular nerve agent was only manufactured in Russia. Are you saying that some other country also manufactured Novichok?
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Scientists can't say where poison came from

Weeks of repeatedly blaming the Russian government for the Salisbury poisonings is starting to look pretty embarrassing for the British government. Today, scientists at Porton Down said they were unable to say where the poison actually came from.

British officials, of course, are undeterred in their accusations, and a spokesman for Prime Minister Theresa May talked openly about Britain’s desire to retaliate in some “proportionate” way to the poisoning of a former Russian spy and his daughter.
May is a globalist imperialist and reckless cuck, endangering the world with such talk bringing us to the brink of war. IMO it's all designed, to keep Trump in a box on improving relations with Russia which is not just in our interests but the world's.
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I mean I made this argument and people laughed at me. Just because this Nerv Agent was developed by Russians doesn't mean it was used by them.
Yeah, exactly. I mean, just because the Russians developed this lethal nerve agent doesn't mean you can't pick up a canister at Walmart or Target, right? As soon as it's developed, they sell it commercially and at retail establishments.

Could have been anyone!
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