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Old 07-21-2018, 09:12 PM  
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Powerline Blog: Breaking: Carter Page FISA file released

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The Trump administration has just released a heavily redacted version of the FISA application on Carter Page to the New York Times and other news organization that sought it under the Freedom of Information Act. The Times reports on the release in this breaking news article by Charlie Savage. I have embedded the file as posted by the Times below via Scribd.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...e-released.php

Here's the application and, as mentioned, it's heavily redacted.

https://www.scribd.com/document/3843...ile#from_embed
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Old 07-22-2018, 07:53 PM   #121
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Of course I did - as well as some additional information:
You did? Where, comrade?

Again:

I thought that a previous FISA warrant was obtained on Page well before the 2016 election, no, comrade?

Did or did not "our" authorities obtain a FISA warrant for Page in 2014?
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Old 07-22-2018, 08:12 PM   #122
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Sen. Lindsey Graham on Sunday called government surveillance of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page “not at all” justified, backing up President Donald Trump in his criticism of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court-approved wiretaps.

Appearing on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” the South Carolina Republican said, “The whole FISA warrant process needs to be looked at.” He called the Christopher Steele dossier that the FBI cited in its FISA warrant applications “a bunch of garbage” and criticized the government for not being clear that the dossier’s research had been partially funded by Democrats.
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Old 07-22-2018, 08:59 PM   #123
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You did? Where, comrade?

Again:

I thought that a previous FISA warrant was obtained on Page well before the 2016 election, no, comrade?

Did or did not "our" authorities obtain a FISA warrant for Page in 2014?

You seem confused.

We know that:


Carter Page was an FBI asset and witness, involved in the arrest of a high level Russian agent (Evgeny Buryakov) in 2013, and remained so throughout the court case until May of 2016.

On October 21st, 2016, Carter Page was put under a FISA Title-1 surveillance warrant as an alleged Russian agent.


The Obama DOJ National Security Division and the FBI Counterintelligence Division - knew Carter Page was not a Russian agent.

How do we know this?

- Because Carter Page was working for the FBI between 2013 through May 2016. He was assisting in an FBI investigation which led to the arrest of a Russian agent.


2014? I realize you rely on CNN/Salon etc for news, but -

- Page was working for the FBI in 2014 - assisting in getting a Russian Agent arrested.

Perhaps the FBI became concerned about Page in 2014 - and as unconfirmed CNN sources have referenced - a 2014 FISA warrant was placed on him?

I don't know for sure - but I do see the guy on TV all the time - so they apparently did not find any dirt on him.

2014 is well before Trump obtained the GOP nomination.

> Are you arguing that Trump chose wisely by having Carter Page added to his team as an adviser - because he helped the FBI arrest a Russian agent?
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Old 07-23-2018, 06:39 AM   #124
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You seem confused.

Perhaps the FBI became concerned about Page in 2014 - and as unconfirmed CNN sources have referenced - a 2014 FISA warrant was placed on him?
I'm not confused at all. Your first post didn't mention the 2014 FISA warrant at all, unless it was hidden in your standard Russian bot structure.

Now, that's better. So, if the Page was under a FISA warrant in 2014, please explain how you can claim the following:

> The FBI Obtained the information about Carter Page being associated with the Russians from the dossier.

Since the dossier didn't exist in 2014.
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Old 07-23-2018, 02:16 PM   #125
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Old 07-23-2018, 02:40 PM   #126
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I'm not confused at all. Your first post didn't mention the 2014 FISA warrant at all.

Now, that's better. So, if the Page was under a FISA warrant in 2014, please explain how you can claim the following:



It has now been confirmed that Carter Page came under a FISA warrant in October 2016.

- To the best of my knowledge, it has never been confirmed that Carter Page was under a FISA warrant in 2014.

> Do you have a source to confirm that Carter Page was under a FISA warrant in 2014?
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Old 07-23-2018, 02:42 PM   #127
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It has now been confirmed that Carter Page came under a FISA warrant in October 2016.

- To the best of my knowledge, it has never been confirmed that Carter Page was under a FISA warrant in 2014.

> Do you have a source to confirm that Carter Page was under a FISA warrant in 2014?
It's been reported that he was, not confirmed.
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It's been reported that he was, not confirmed.


So in other words:

- "It has never been confirmed that Carter Page was under a FISA warrant in 2014."
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So in other words:

- "It has never been confirmed that Carter Page was under a FISA warrant in 2014."
Did I claim that, comrade?
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Did I claim that, comrade?

You spend a lot of time badgering people with unconfirmed information - from sources like CNN

- which actively promulgates disinformation.

- You have a lot in common with them.
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You spend a lot of time badgering people with unconfirmed information - from sources like CNN

- which actively promulgates disinformation.

- You have a lot in common with them.
Oh, so I didn't claim it. Gotcha, comrade. Next?
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Oh, so I didn't claim it. Gotcha, comrade. Next?


In post #124 - you stated, " Your first post didn't mention the 2014 FISA warrant at all."

- you made this inference as though it were 'fact'.

- And, you already knew it was not a fact.
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In post #124 - you stated, " Your first post didn't mention the 2014 FISA warrant at all."

- you made this inference as though it were 'fact'.

- And, you already knew it was not a fact.
I did. And there's nothing in that sentence that states that the 2014 warrant has been confirmed. Here, I'll help even further, comrade. I then wrote:

So, if the Page was under a FISA warrant in 2014
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]I did. [/B]And there's nothing in that sentence that states that the 2014 warrant has been confirmed. Here, I'll help even further, comrade. I then wrote:

So, if the Page was under a FISA warrant in 2014

Why do you make inferences - based on unconfirmed information -

- and then present them as facts?

> Do you feel like you may be guilty of spreading fake news?
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