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Old 07-21-2018, 09:12 PM  
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Powerline Blog: Breaking: Carter Page FISA file released

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The Trump administration has just released a heavily redacted version of the FISA application on Carter Page to the New York Times and other news organization that sought it under the Freedom of Information Act. The Times reports on the release in this breaking news article by Charlie Savage. I have embedded the file as posted by the Times below via Scribd.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...e-released.php

Here's the application and, as mentioned, it's heavily redacted.

https://www.scribd.com/document/3843...ile#from_embed
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Old 07-22-2018, 10:38 AM   #91
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Old 07-22-2018, 11:26 AM   #92
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:15 PM   #93
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Stumppy was responding to me, so the obvious inference is that you were levying the charge against me.
Based on the medium, I disagree.
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Old 07-22-2018, 12:46 PM   #94
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I don't know how tf OP draws his conclusion. You should read this thing. All it does is regurgitate what we already know. And proves that Nunes memo to be a lie. The biggest immediate takeaways:

- Carter Page is a spy for the Russian government. He is not an unwilling or unwitting collaborator. He is a full on spy working for Russian intel and military.

- Carter Page met with the president of Rosneft while in Russia when he was part of Trump's campaign. This confirms a huge part of the Steele Dossier

- Carter Page sought damaging material on Clinton while in Russia from Russian intel. Direct collusion and criminal conspiracy.

Unless Page has sung like a bird about everyone above him, he will die in prison. He may also be executed.

This brings the total number of foreign agents in the Trump campaign to three, joining Manafort and Flynn.

Zero foreign agents have been revealed from the Hillary campaign.
Page was never a spy for Russia. Look at US v Buryakov, 1:15-cr-073, US District Court, Southern District of New York.

Page has worked for years in the energy industry. As part of that, he has contacted various players in the Russian energy industry because Russia has tons of oil reserves. Page notified the FBI about recruitment efforts by Buryakov. He gave info to the FBI in 2015. Page was not granted immunity as part of the investigation because he was not guilty of a crime. So in 2015 the FBI determined that he was not a Russian spy.

As far as meeting the president of Rosneft, so what? The Russians want various sanctions lifted. They’ve made no secret of this. Page is a campaign consultant who works in the energy industry. Lots of business people from different countries and industries would want to meet him to hedge their bet. Make contact with someone who might have the President’s ear if that candidate wins. That happens all the time just like the higher ups in Chevron, GM and Coca Cola would meet with political candidates in other countries to talk about tariffs, customs and other matters to sound out potential political changes in advance of an election.

And the last point is likewise nothing. Trump Jr met with people who said they had dirt on Hillary and all they wanted was the US to repeal laws directed at Russian assets. Getting dirt on an opposing candidate is part and parcel of politics irrespective of the source. There’s no evidence that Russia had dirt or that they require any illegal tit for tat in exchange for evidence.

You say Page will die in prison and may be executed. You surely cannot mean this. Execution is only available as a punishment for first degree murder. It is not a punishment for anything Page might conceivably be charged with. That you would seriously think Page might be executed is so inaccurate as to be labeled delusional.

Here are some other facts about Russia:

DOJ agrees that Russia did not affect one vote and that Russia’s “meddling” is not in our voting infrastructure. That is, Russia doesn’t attack our electoral machines or voting tabulation but is more sowing discord.

Russian interests paid for cheesy Facebook ads with Jesus arm wrestling Satan. That’s not a joke.

Trump killed 200-300 Russian mercenaries in Syria. They were not ID’d as Russian so US contacted Russia to say “You know these guys?” Russia said no so we bombard them.

Trump is putting pressure on Germany to stop a pipeline that would allow Russia to deliver natural gas to Germany and bypass Eastern Europe.

Trump has authorized sale of US missiles to Poland to stop Russian missiles. Bush and Obama’s did not authorize such sales.

The US is selling military hardware to Ukraine to protect against Russian continued expansion.

The US expelled numerous Russian diplomats in response to Russia killing a journalist.

This wholesale focus on Russia isn’t healthy. Based in what’s been released, there’s nothing there. There’s no tit for tat. No votes were changed. Russia not nothing more than make some propaganda.

Instead, we seemto have a segment of our government and media that are pushing us to more aggression with Russia. Why? Russia has more nukes than any other country. They’re just being Russia, a paranoid country that wants more respect. Russia has 2 factors in its favor: lots of land and a large population. But their economy and infrastructure is really weak. They spent everything on nukes.

Frankly, I’d rather have a President that tries to negotiate and work with Russia than one who seeks to provoke war with them. So far,given the dats, Trump shows that he will stand for American interest but work with them in important international issues.
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:05 PM   #95
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Has anyone read the document? All 412 pages?
Just pass it and then find out what is in it/ Nancy Pelosi
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:06 PM   #96
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I don't know how tf OP draws his conclusion. You should read this thing. All it does is regurgitate what we already know. And proves that Nunes memo to be a lie. The biggest immediate takeaways:

- Carter Page is a spy for the Russian government. He is not an unwilling or unwitting collaborator. He is a full on spy working for Russian intel and military.

- Carter Page met with the president of Rosneft while in Russia when he was part of Trump's campaign. This confirms a huge part of the Steele Dossier

- Carter Page sought damaging material on Clinton while in Russia from Russian intel. Direct collusion and criminal conspiracy.

Unless Page has sung like a bird about everyone above him, he will die in prison. He may also be executed.

This brings the total number of foreign agents in the Trump campaign to three, joining Manafort and Flynn.

Zero foreign agents have been revealed from the Hillary campaign.
Outstanding post.
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:10 PM   #97
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Outstanding post.
Read post 94. Then look at this one. Now you know all you need to know about direckshun.
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:16 PM   #98
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I can't believe she thought anyone would fall for that.
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:21 PM   #99
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Trump has authorized sale of US missiles to Poland to stop Russian missiles. Bush and Obama’s did not authorize such sales.
Yes, and that's a good thing. Showing the Russians weakness, like Obama did, is foolish and only makes them more aggressive and emboldened.
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That's checkmate by the way.
Proof that the FBI also paid for the fake piss dossier that they presented to a FISA Court as fact to justify spying on a political candidate in an attempt to overthrow a US election.

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Has anyone read the document? All 412 pages?
Have you?

I think NOT!
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Old 07-22-2018, 01:26 PM   #102
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Proof that the FBI also paid for the fake piss dossier that they presented to a FISA Court as fact to justify spying on a political candidate in an attempt to overthrow a US election.

That been known for a long time. And, so?
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Yes, and that's a good thing. Showing the Russians weakness, like Obama did, is foolish and only makes them more aggressive and emboldened.
Which is why Putin wanted Trump as POTUS and not Hillary, clearly. Hence all the hacking and collusion and meddling and general ****ery to get Trump in there. Obviously.
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“My take is that Carter Page is more like Inspector Gadget than Jason Bourne or James Bond,” Gowdy, R-S.C., said during an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”

I’m going to miss Trent Gowdy.
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Which is why Putin wanted Trump as POTUS and not Hillary, clearly. Hence all the hacking and collusion and meddling and general ****ery to get Trump in there. Obviously.
If you look back, Clinton's FP approach towards Russia was much more aggressive than Trump's. Really not even in the same ballpark.
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