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Powerline Blog: Breaking: Carter Page FISA file released

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The Trump administration has just released a heavily redacted version of the FISA application on Carter Page to the New York Times and other news organization that sought it under the Freedom of Information Act. The Times reports on the release in this breaking news article by Charlie Savage. I have embedded the file as posted by the Times below via Scribd.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...e-released.php

Here's the application and, as mentioned, it's heavily redacted.

https://www.scribd.com/document/3843...ile#from_embed
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:43 PM   #31
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Has anyone read the document? All 412 pages?
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:45 PM   #32
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I've already spoiled the ending on this every time Carter Page gets brought up.

Carter Page is a plant. He was a member of the Bill Clinton transition team in 1992.



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Old 07-21-2018, 10:45 PM   #33
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How do I know there was probable cause contained in the redacted information that collaborates? Because there's no way they would get this approved by four different federal judges if there wasn't.
So you've got nothing to defend your position. "It wouldn't have happened otherwise" regarding unseen collaborating information is an opinion, not a fact, in a case like this, and it ignores the potential malfeasance with regards to any such unseen collaborating information..
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:46 PM   #34
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What a load of shit


Used four times to spy on Carter Page yet they never bothered to interview him despite his volunteering to sit for an interview.

Christopher Steele leaked info to the press. Page after page of the FISA docs say how media reported parts leaked, which was used to justify the spying.

Carter Page was said to be the source of Trump campaign collusion— yet no evidence presented, he wasn’t arrested, and he remains free.

FISA warrant was signed by a lead agent redacted and James Comey.

Christopher Steele was paid by the FBI— amount redacted. Also paid by Hillary campaign. He leaked the dossier contents to Isakof and said he didn’t— was fired from he FBI, but the FBI kept using bogus dossier.

None of the information used by the FBI appears to be directly sourced from FBI agents as is required.

Many pages fully redacted.
There are literally redacted paragraphs right after explaining why the FBI believes that Page was working with Russia. You can't say the FBI wasn't providing their own evidence when the information supporting the claims is redacted. Pages 16 and 17 also discuss how they learned of Page's activity. Source #1 is Steele, the other source is redacted. The document also states that based on Steele's past reporting, and the quality of the info he's provided to the FBI, he should be viewed as credible. The document also states that the FBI does not believe that Steele released information to the press (page 23).

It also states on Page 31-2 that there is probable cause to believe that Page conspired w/ the Russian government.

Moreover, it states that Page sought damaging information on Clinton to provide to Trump (which sure sounds like colluding with a foreign power to me) and that he met w/ the president of Rosneft while working for Trump, which actually supports even more information in Steele's dossier.
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:48 PM   #35
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I believe you're a Russian agent and should be wire tapped.

Now that we know the bias that existed in the FBI my credibility matches theirs.

You guys can defend the bullshit that happened by the DOJ but if you don't want all the documents released unredacted you're not a true American.
The documents should eventually be released unredacted if they don't put anyone at immediate danger and if they don't impede an ongoing investigation.

Please explain how this is proof of the existing bias in the FBI?
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:52 PM   #36
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So you've got nothing to defend your position. "It wouldn't have happened otherwise" regarding unseen collaborating information is an opinion, not a fact, in a case like this, and it ignores the potential malfeasance with regards to any such unseen collaborating information..
I guess you've got me there. More than half of the information is redacted. You have no idea what corroborated government information was included and neither do I.

But do I think four different Senate-appointed Republican federal judges are all part of some vast conspiracy or guilty of wrongdoing? No I do not.
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I believe you're a Russian agent and should be wire tapped.

Now that we know the bias that existed in the FBI my credibility matches theirs.

You guys can defend the bullshit that happened by the DOJ but if you don't want all the documents released unredacted you're not a true American.
You mean the republican bias, right?

Announcing the re-opening of the Clinton emails 11 days before the election, that bias.

The fact that most DOJ leadership is republican, that bias?
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I guess you've got me there. More than half of the information is redacted. You have no idea what corroborated government information was included and neither do I.
I'm not making claims about the redacted materials. You were.

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But do I think four different Senate-appointed Republican federal judges are all part of some vast conspiracy or guilty of wrongdoing? No I do not.
I don't give a shit if you think that.

I do care that such a weak application was able to get a warrant on a U.S. citizen, and I care that the FBI lied in the application. Here's one example.

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the FBI speculates that the identified U.S person [Simpson] was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1’s [Trump’s] campaign
The FBI knew that the Hillary campaign and the DNC had hired Simpson (Fusion GPS) in order to get dirt for attacks on Trump, so there was no speculation necessary. Claiming that it was mere speculation was a willful deceit, likely chosen because stating the truth would have weakened the application even more.
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:59 PM   #39
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Have you?
Not yet. I skimmed through some of it. From what I did read it looks like there was a lot the application redacted.
I'm gonna have to go along with the judges who issued the warrant. Might change my mind is it's ever completely released. It depends on what ALL of it says.
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I do care that such a weak application was able to get a warrant on a U.S. citizen, and I care that the FBI lied in the application. Here's one example.
Seriously, how do you know it was weak when you don't know what all of the evidence was?
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You know the regular band of idiots will be around with their whataboutisms, deflections and TDS. Give it time.
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Could you imagine the level of meltdown by the left if this kind of shit happened to a candidate Obama in 2008?
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Seriously, how do you know it was weak when you don't know what all of the evidence was?
I'm going by what's available, which is all any of us can do. Also, there's enough bullshit that's not redacted for us to see that the FBI was playing games in an attempt to bolster a warrant. The apparent degree of game playing would be unnecessary if the warrant was strong enough to stand on its own without the shenanigans.

I've kept the political stuff out of it, and referred specifically to the system that allows this bullshit. I will continue to try doing so until a less redacted version is available.

John Hinderaker is being less reserved, if you wish to see someone take a more extensive approach to a first look than I've done.
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I'm going by what's available, which is all any of us can do. Also, there's enough bullshit that's not redacted for us to see that the FBI was playing games in an attempt to bolster a warrant. The apparent degree of game playing would be unnecessary if the warrant was strong enough to stand on its own without the shenanigans.

I've kept the political stuff out of it, and referred specifically to the system that allows this bullshit. I will continue to try doing so until a less redacted version is available.

John Hinderaker is being less reserved, if you wish to see someone take a more extensive approach to a first look than I've done.
I agree, we can only go by whats available right now. I'd agree that it's a bunch of bullshit if the dossier and a few news reports were all the evidence they presented. But it's not. If you look at page 17 and a few pages further you'll see where they had evidence Carter was meeting with Russians about raising a compromising dossier.
That's about as far as I got for now.
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I agree, we can only go by whats available right now. I'd agree that it's a bunch of bullshit if the dossier and a few news reports were all the evidence they presented. But it's not. If you look at page 17 and a few pages further you'll see where they had evidence Carter was meeting with Russians about raising a compromising dossier.
That's about as far as I got for now.

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The “identified U.S. person” is Glenn Simpson, the head of Fusion GPS. Source #1 is Christopher Steele.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive...pplication.php

Re-read with that in mind.

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