We’ve got to get Eric Murray off the field

[RunKC]

Still seeing too many snaps like this, guys running free in a deep zone that SHOULD be occupied. I continue to be uncomfortable with Eric Murray's awareness when asked to play zone. pic.twitter.com/dck7kreS4K

— Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) September 20, 2018

Everybody pretty much did their job here in the back end except Murray. This defense looks so much worse because of him. The guy just doesn’t have a good read on coverage.

It sucks that we are pressed to play him bc we are forced too due to Sorenson and Berry being hurt.

FWIW Armani Watts played 16 defensive snaps in the Steelers game as opposed to 3 in LA. I think he’s coming up to speed.

Only a matter of time until Murray is on the bench and we look better.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t think it’s fair to say they did “nothing” though.

Hitchens, Williams, Fuller were all 3 good additions. And they went all in on defense in the draft. It’s hard to find guys that have an immediate impact without a 1st and picking late though.

What I don’t understand is, it really seemed like most were in agreement that the defense was a two year project. I honestly don’t know why a lot of people forgot that.

When did they say that it was the talent AND all they needed is one year to fix it?

In a vacuum those are not bad moves, but when you realize after dropping Peters this team needed at least 1 if not 2 more CB's that were at the very least passable players was known by everyone. Even with Eric Berry this team has a safety hole.

No person here is going to convince me that Breeland Speaks was a pressing need and they couldn't have filled that spot with a somewhat productive vet on the cheap.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

You've got your 3rd and 4th rounders sitting on the bench for no reason except they're rookies. Same shit with Zombo and Kpassagnon last year.

Kpass still doesn't play, Speaks is getting more snaps than him.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t think it’s fair to say they did “nothing” though.

Hitchens, Williams, Fuller were all 3 good additions. And they went all in on defense in the draft. It’s hard to find guys that have an immediate impact without a 1st and picking late though.

What I don’t understand is, it really seemed like most were in agreement that the defense was a two year project. I honestly don’t know why a lot of people forgot that.

When did they say that it was the talent AND all they needed is one year to fix it?

a two year project with the cap they are spending?! hahaha they are not in a rebuild theres no such thing as a project when youre spending the kind of money the Chiefs are

[OKchiefs]

Unfortunately the talent problem isn't going away. We MAYBE have one playmaker or above average talent at each level of the defense. Chris Jones, Anthony Hitchens, and MAYBE Kendall Fuller. They're going to have to get rid of Houston in the offseason and get Berry to agree to a pay cut to help sign some solid free agents. At least 3 of our first 4 draft picks need to be on defense, but they have to find a way to quit drafting complete shit on defense. The 2019 draft needs to be a home run. It's too early to call the 2018 draft a strikeout (continuing to use the baseball analogy), but at best it's a bunt single. This defense is still probably several years away from returning to respectability.

Also, Bob Sutton may get too much blame, but he's a dinosaur and the game has passed him by. We need a better coordinator before too long.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

That’s nonsensical.

Well, it's not rational but it is true.

People's expectations change all the time in reaction to changes in events.

Everybody assumed Mahomes would have growing pains to go along with the defense' growing pains, so this year was essentially a lost year.

With Mahomes coming out of the gates looking like a polished vet, the expectations change (again, whether that's rational or not) because suddenly only one unit needs time.

Not saying it's RIGHT, just saying that's exactly what is going on.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Did we not have the juice or the desire to move up for a guy like Josh Jackson?

We had the desire to move up for Speaks, right?

So I'd have to say all signs point to "desire".

[Mecca]

Question why could they pluck some dudes at the end of camp out of the cuts and plug and play them yet now somehow the defense is to complicated for new players?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Well, it's not rational but it is true.

People's expectations change all the time in reaction to changes in events.

Everybody assumed Mahomes would have growing pains to go along with the defense' growing pains, so this year was essentially a lost year.

With Mahomes coming out of the gates looking like a polished vet, the expectations change (again, whether that's rational or not) because suddenly only one unit needs time.

Not saying it's RIGHT, just saying that's exactly what is going on.

Oh I definitely agree that’s why.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t think it’s fair to say they did “nothing” though.

Hitchens, Williams, Fuller were all 3 good additions. And they went all in on defense in the draft. It’s hard to find guys that have an immediate impact without a 1st and picking late though.

What I don’t understand is, it really seemed like most were in agreement that the defense was a two year project. I honestly don’t know why a lot of people forgot that.

When did they say that it was the talent AND all they needed is one year to fix it?

It's more than a 2 year project. Short of doing what L.A. did and selling out for a dominant defense, the 2019 KC Chiefs will probably still have a bottom 10 defense. We don't have a single quality pass rusher and we're going nowhere until that changes.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Mecca

They do have a talent problem and Veach deserves a lot of criticism for doing nothing about this secondary.

Actually what they did was ass backwards, they go all front 7 for run D..when you score 30 points a game no one is going to be running much on you.

What does that mean, they go all front seven?

Armani Watts, Tremon Smith, and to a certain extent DOD.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

Unfortunately the talent problem isn't going away. We MAYBE have one playmaker or above average talent at each level of the defense. Chris Jones, Anthony Hitchens, and MAYBE Kendall Fuller. They're going to have to get rid of Houston in the offseason and get Berry to agree to a pay cut to help sign some solid free agents. At least 3 of our first 4 draft picks need to be on defense, but they have to find a way to quit drafting complete shit on defense. The 2019 draft needs to be a home run. It's too early to call the 2018 draft a strikeout (continuing to use the baseball analogy), but at best it's a bunt single. This defense is still probably several years away from returning to respectability.

Also, Bob Sutton may get too much blame, but he's a dinosaur and the game has passed him by. We need a better coordinator before too long.

Can't strongly disagree with any of this.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

a two year project with the cap they are spending?! hahaha they are not in a rebuild theres no such thing as a project when youre spending the kind of money the Chiefs are

Well if you thought they could fix this D in one offseason with what they had to work with I have to really question your intelligence.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

What does that mean, they go all front seven?

Armani Watts, Tremon Smith, and to a certain extent DOD.

They spent big money on Hitchens and didn't draft a secondary player until the 4th round...

Kendall Fuller even if Marcus Peters was still here, there would be some secondary issues. They basically replaced Peters with a guy who isn't as good and somehow thought they were suppose to get better back there?

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Because Mahomes is WAY better than we thought he'd be at this point.

What’s with this we bullshit

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by OKchiefs

It's more than a 2 year project. Short of doing what L.A. did and selling out for a dominant defense, the 2019 KC Chiefs will probably still have a bottom 10 defense. We don't have a single quality pass rusher and we're going nowhere until that changes.

A dominant defense would look pretty good right now.