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Old 08-31-2018, 03:09 PM  
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FISA Court Held NO HEARINGS on Carter Page Warrants

by Cristina Laila August 31, 2018


The Justice Department admitted in a court filing this week that the FISA court never held hearings on the FISA applications for former Trump advisor Carter Page.

One FISA warrant and three subsequent FISA renewals on Carter Page were obtained by Obama’s corrupt FBI in order to spy on Trump’s campaign.

Via Judicial Watch:

‘[N]o such hearings were held with respect to the acknowledged FISA applications. Accordingly, no responsive hearing transcripts exist.’

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today announced that in response to a Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit, the Justice Department (DOJ) admitted in a court filing last night that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court held no hearings on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) spy warrant applications targeting Carter Page, a former Trump campaign part-time advisor who was the subject of four controversial FISA warrants.

In the filing the Justice Department finally revealed that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court held no hearings on the Page FISA spy warrants, first issued in 2016 and subsequently renewed three times:

[National Security Division] FOIA consulted [Office of Intelligence] … to identify and locate records responsive to [Judicial Watch’s] FOIA request…. [Office of Intelligence] determined … that there were no records, electronic or paper, responsive to [Judicial Watch’s] FOIA request with regard to Carter Page. [Office of Intelligence] further confirmed that the [Foreign Surveillance Court] considered the Page warrant applications based upon written submissions and did not hold any hearings.

President of Judicial Watch Tom Fitton had this to say about the new developments:

“It is disturbing that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance courts rubber-stamped the Carter Page spy warrants and held not one hearing on these extraordinary requests to spy on the Trump team. Perhaps the court can now hold hearings on how justice was corrupted by material omissions that Hillary Clinton’s campaign, the DNC, a conflicted Bruce Ohr, a compromised Christopher Steele, and anti-Trumper Peter Strzok were all behind the ‘intelligence’ used to persuade the courts to approve the FISA warrants that targeted the Trump team.”

In July, Judicial Watch obtained over 400 pages of heavily redacted Carter Page FISA documents.


Comey, Rosenstein, McCabe and Sally Yates all signed the FISA applications even though Hillary’s fraudulent Russia dossier was used as a pretext to obtain the warrants.

Obama’s Deep State DOJ and FBI withheld information about Hillary Clinton and the DNC being behind the information used to obtain the FISA warrant.

President Trump is reportedly moving to declassify the June 2017 FISA renewal which was signed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and then-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe.

Trump’s ace card is a declassification order on all Carter Page FISA docs and other documents related to the Russia witch hunt.



https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...page-warrants/
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Old 09-01-2018, 09:19 AM   #121
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That's good stuff, AustinChief, thanks.

So, hearings are not typically held unless the judge thinks it is needed and/or warranted, right?
Which is incredibly disturbing in and of itself.
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Old 09-01-2018, 09:22 AM   #122
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You think that the prosecution did not request the warrant? Or, didn't ask the judge for one?
No. I'd ask you why you ask such a bizarre question out of the blue, but I'm not really interested and don't want to indulge your diversions.

What I think is that BanHam is making you look pretty bad here and that you don't seem to be able to or willing to understand some of the things you've read in this thread.
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Old 09-01-2018, 09:28 AM   #123
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That's good stuff, AustinChief, thanks.

So, hearings are not typically held unless the judge thinks it is needed and/or warranted, right?
Which brings us back to the JW allegation/discovery that no hearing was held. You'd think a judge might be somewhat curious about the grounds on which one administration proposes spying on their political opposition. But in any event, it pretty much rules out the idea that there was additional information provided to the judge beyond that found in the controversial applications.
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Old 09-01-2018, 09:31 AM   #124
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Which brings us back to the JW allegation/discovery that no hearing was held. You'd think a judge might be somewhat curious about the grounds on which one administration proposes spying on their political opposition. But in any event, it pretty much rules out the idea that there was additional information provided to the judge beyond that found in the controversial applications.
Don't gloss over the fact that this is a secret court approving secret warrants, with an overwhelming percentage being approved, and it looks like the vast majority don't even have the applicant appearing before the judge. There is no oversight here and the whole thing needs to be dismantled.

In a just world, people would be prosecuted for failing to uphold their oath to the Constitution.
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Don't gloss over the fact that this is a secret court approving secret warrants, with an overwhelming percentage being approved, and it looks like the vast majority don't even have the applicant appearing before the judge. There is no oversight here and the whole thing needs to be dismantled.

In a just world, people would be prosecuted for failing to uphold their oath to the Constitution.
Oversight indeed appears to be lacking, but I'm not as bothered by the overwhelming percentage of approval as some are. If you read the link AustinChief provided, you'll see that there's a back and forth process between the court and the applicant to correct problems with applications that would otherwise be rejected. If the application can be fixed, it is and then it's approved. If it can't, it's often withdrawn rather than rejected.
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Old 09-01-2018, 10:12 AM   #126
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So, hearings are not typically held unless the judge thinks it is needed and/or warranted, right?
The problem is that we simply don't know the figures on this. I would guess (TOTAL guess) that yes most of the time these are rubber stamped. BUT I would also guess that is exceptionally rare to have warrants like the Page warrants.

I see this as newsworthy because obviously hearings should have occurred but I don't see it as blockbuster news unless hearings occur far more often than I think they do.
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Old 09-01-2018, 10:17 AM   #127
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you normally get warrants from affidavits, not hearings? All a judge has to do is make a determination on written filings to determine if a warrant is necessary.

Seems like the site is trying to create a story by claiming something that is not procedure at all, hoping that the readers won't notice.
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No. I'd ask you why you ask such a bizarre question out of the blue, but I'm not really interested and don't want to indulge your diversions.

What I think is that BanHam is making you look pretty bad here and that you don't seem to be able to or willing to understand some of the things you've read in this thread.
What our friendly comrade hasn't done is show that NO HEARINGS isn't exactly out of the ordinary for the FISA court.

Do you agree with that?
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Which brings us back to the JW allegation/discovery that no hearing was held. You'd think a judge might be somewhat curious about the grounds on which one administration proposes spying on their political opposition. But in any event, it pretty much rules out the idea that there was additional information provided to the judge beyond that found in the controversial applications.
My understanding is that Page had a FISA warrant on him back in 2014 and that there were renewals. Is that not correct?
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What our friendly comrade hasn't done is show that NO HEARINGS isn't exactly out of the ordinary for the FISA court.

Do you agree with that?
I don’t agree that it’s important that he do so. If he did, that would be an even bigger story.
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My understanding is that Page had a FISA warrant on him back in 2014 and that there were renewals. Is that not correct?
I don’t know, you tell me.
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I don’t agree that it’s important that he do so. If he did, that would be an even bigger story.
If it's not important, what is the point of this thread?
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Oversight indeed appears to be lacking, but I'm not as bothered by the overwhelming percentage of approval as some are. If you read the link AustinChief provided, you'll see that there's a back and forth process between the court and the applicant to correct problems with applications that would otherwise be rejected. If the application can be fixed, it is and then it's approved. If it can't, it's often withdrawn rather than rejected.
That is the problem. The court shouldn't help the applicant make the warrant pass muster, that is plainly ****ing beyond the pale and frankly any judge that does should be impeached and disbarred. They are supposed to be the bulwark against unlawful search and seizure not active participants in making the warrant. If the applicant has problems with the warrant then maybe they should do their job better. The court should flat out reject with prejudice until the applicant actually has new information.
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If it's not important, what is the point of this thread?
It tells us that there was a hearing and apparently no additional support for the warrant than what is contained in the application.

Can you show us that there are never hearings?
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FFS why has no one started criminal hearings on this? Or on Hillary's emails? Or on Uranium one? Why? Why? Why?

Oh, because nothing illegal was done.
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