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Old 08-31-2018, 03:09 PM  
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FISA Court Held NO HEARINGS on Carter Page Warrants

by Cristina Laila August 31, 2018


The Justice Department admitted in a court filing this week that the FISA court never held hearings on the FISA applications for former Trump advisor Carter Page.

One FISA warrant and three subsequent FISA renewals on Carter Page were obtained by Obama’s corrupt FBI in order to spy on Trump’s campaign.

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‘[N]o such hearings were held with respect to the acknowledged FISA applications. Accordingly, no responsive hearing transcripts exist.’

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today announced that in response to a Judicial Watch Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit, the Justice Department (DOJ) admitted in a court filing last night that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court held no hearings on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) spy warrant applications targeting Carter Page, a former Trump campaign part-time advisor who was the subject of four controversial FISA warrants.

In the filing the Justice Department finally revealed that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court held no hearings on the Page FISA spy warrants, first issued in 2016 and subsequently renewed three times:

[National Security Division] FOIA consulted [Office of Intelligence] … to identify and locate records responsive to [Judicial Watch’s] FOIA request…. [Office of Intelligence] determined … that there were no records, electronic or paper, responsive to [Judicial Watch’s] FOIA request with regard to Carter Page. [Office of Intelligence] further confirmed that the [Foreign Surveillance Court] considered the Page warrant applications based upon written submissions and did not hold any hearings.

President of Judicial Watch Tom Fitton had this to say about the new developments:

“It is disturbing that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance courts rubber-stamped the Carter Page spy warrants and held not one hearing on these extraordinary requests to spy on the Trump team. Perhaps the court can now hold hearings on how justice was corrupted by material omissions that Hillary Clinton’s campaign, the DNC, a conflicted Bruce Ohr, a compromised Christopher Steele, and anti-Trumper Peter Strzok were all behind the ‘intelligence’ used to persuade the courts to approve the FISA warrants that targeted the Trump team.”

In July, Judicial Watch obtained over 400 pages of heavily redacted Carter Page FISA documents.


Comey, Rosenstein, McCabe and Sally Yates all signed the FISA applications even though Hillary’s fraudulent Russia dossier was used as a pretext to obtain the warrants.

Obama’s Deep State DOJ and FBI withheld information about Hillary Clinton and the DNC being behind the information used to obtain the FISA warrant.

President Trump is reportedly moving to declassify the June 2017 FISA renewal which was signed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and then-FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe.

Trump’s ace card is a declassification order on all Carter Page FISA docs and other documents related to the Russia witch hunt.



https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-...page-warrants/
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Old 09-02-2018, 04:47 PM   #166
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Last I checked, warrants were issued by judges...no hearing required....unless FISA rules are different....I'd be surprised...

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The renewals would be requied every 90 days. I’ve seen nothing to support your theory of continuous surveillance authority dating back to 2013 or 2014.
If you only really watch/listen to FOX/Hannity/Limbaugh/Breitbart....that's not surprising...
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:32 PM   #167
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It's okay for FBI officials to try to recruit a Russian oligarch named Deripaska with a quid pro quo promise to relieve him of previous visa issues, if they could provide dirt on Trump campaign. Justice Department official Bruce Ohr was involved in the attempt to turn Russian oligarchs into US informants too.

The real scandal is the use of US govt power to spy for another's political campaign for oppo research. The whole Trump campaign meeting with a Russian lawyer, who mysteriously appears in the county with a VISA when one was previously denied, is a distraction from what the Clinton campaign was doing.

That's what is wrong with this entire FISA warrant process, hearing or not, which is only supposed to be used on an American citizen if they are actively involved in espionage on behalf of a foreign power.

The FISA judge likely was lied to or there's some reason why the FISA judge who granted the warrant recused himself with no explanation. Was he ever told that the the dossier was paid for by a conduit of the Clinton campaign? I really doubt it. These FISA warrants are rubber stamped per what I read.

So let's see the actual warrant request documents. That should tell us a helluva lot more.
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:35 PM   #168
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Last I checked, warrants were issued by judges...no hearing required....unless FISA rules are different....I'd be surprised...



If you only really watch/listen to FOX/Hannity/Limbaugh/Breitbart....that's not surprising...
It's also not surprising that you haven't added anything worth thinking about with your post and I'm still left without experiencing any support for that theory.
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:45 PM   #169
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I just went back and read the original post and....

The original posted story from Judicial Watch, is claiming that a demand for such a warrant from FISA on an American citizen working on a political campaign should require extraordinary measures for such a warrant. Go back and read it. It does not say a hearing is required.

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"It is disturbing that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance courts rubber-stamped the Carter Page spy warrants and held not one hearing on these extraordinary requests to spy on the Trump team," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

Here's another article on the same Judicial Watch position:

Formal hearings are not necessary. But don't you think that if the Department of Justice were going to spy on an aide to a presidential campaign, it would take extraordinary measures to get a FISA warrant approved?

The Justice Department being run by the opposing political party should have been held to the highest standards of proof before surveilling a campaign aide from the opposition party, and thus spying on Trump campaign officials who come in contact with him.

That's the point here. Per that link from a former prosecutor they do at least meet with judges over warrants.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog..._warrants.html
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Old 09-02-2018, 05:49 PM   #170
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FFS why has no one started criminal hearings on this? Or on Hillary's emails? Or on Uranium one? Why? Why? Why?

Oh, because nothing illegal was done.
Trumpettes here are getting skittish as Mueller is tipping over the dominoes.

They KNOW Trump is dirty, but aren’t American enough to accept it...
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Old 09-02-2018, 07:09 PM   #171
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Here, lets let Jim Jordan school you assmonkeys about the corrupt DOJ and FBI

https://video.foxnews.com/v/58284969...#sp=show-clips
A penny for your thoughts on the facts Jordan lays out here, Donger

Does any of it register with you?
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Old 09-02-2018, 07:50 PM   #172
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Everyone knew Trump's background before he ran for potus (unlike Obama). He's not a boy scout, and no one is asking him to be one.

Nobody cares that he's cheated on his wife w/ pornstars and playboy models long before he ever ran for office. A lot of guys in his position with his wealth/power, would probably do the same if they could get away w/ it, given the chance. Money aside for a moment, let's just say Carrie Underwood showed up at your door naked and said she was horny and wanted to screw your brains out. Would you let your wife get in the way of that, assuming she wasn't home? Plus, we've had a president that used the Oval Office for his own personal sexual pleasures. Now that IS a problem because it stains the office of the presidency.


Trump was elected for one primary reason. He wasn't a DC insider, he wasn't a Clinton or a Bush - (those were the 2 establishment choices, that's where the establishment/lobbyist, big donor money went) he wasn't "in the club" he didn't belong to any of the secret societies, he's not an Ivy league manufactured puppet. And that threatens the DC power structure.

He's the threat to the DC establishment, he's the political hand grenade this country needed. He's not perfect, he isn't a boy scout, he isn't PC, but he's the perfect guy for the job right now. That's why he was elected, whether you agree w/ it or not.

And honestly, as much as the DC establishment and their leftist msm propaganda arm hates Donald Trump, If there were in fact collusion crimes committed by Trump in the 2016 election we would have seen evidence of crimes and the impeachment process would have begun long ago, and deservedly so.

So far, the real evidence suggests the DC establishment from the prior admin along w/ HRC/DNC colluded w/ foreign intelligence, purposely/knowingly lied to the FISC and withheld information regarding the validity and conflicts of interest from the people involved in the dossier's origination, in efforts to obtain warrants and illegally spy on the Trump's presidential campaign.

There are people on this board that are under the belief (still) that Trump colluded w/ Russia to manipulate the 2016 election. Not only has that not been true but Rod Rosenstein came out somewhat recently ago and even stated as such.

Mueller's SC is nothing but a sideshow to act as a black cloud over the Trump presidency to keep everyone preoccupied and attention steered away from the real crimes that were committed. It's a common leftsist tactic to blame your opposition for the crimes you've engaged in. Mueller's job is to ultimately take down Trump and to preserve/protect those from the previous admin at any cost.
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Old 09-02-2018, 08:06 PM   #173
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Mueller has yet to indict or charge anyone from the Trump campaign for anything related to the election. All this bloviating about "dominos" and what not and the fact remains, not one, single person from the Trump campaign has been charged with anything related to the election. Be it collusion, obstruction or even campaign finance violations, which Obama had a ton of, BTW.
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Everyone knew Trump's background before he ran for potus (unlike Obama). He's not a boy scout, and no one is asking him to be one.
That's the LAST thing I want. I want a man/woman who's willing to call a heart a heart, a clover a clover, and a POS a POS. There is NO need to be nice at this point. This country spent WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too long trying theoretical zen as a way for humans to live, and it's clear that it'll never happen. So let's hope, withing reason, the experiment is over.

And it's going to hurt some feelz on the left as we head back to being normal...
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Trumpettes here are getting skittish as Mueller is tipping over the dominoes.

They KNOW Trump is dirty, but aren’t American enough to accept it...
Jackass came to say something stupid. Everyone golf clap.
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Old 09-02-2018, 10:13 PM   #176
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Hearings usually involve adversaries offering evidence and argument at court.

When it comes to warrants in support of an investigation, you really do not have an adversary to invite to court to argue whether or not the warrant should issue?

If you invited a target of an investigation to come to court and argue against the issuing of a search warrant, you risk the destruction or hiding of evidence because you tip off the target of the investigation that he is a target.

Seems to me that the target usually has to wait until charged with a crime and then can raise constitutional violations in a motion to suppress evidence.
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Old 09-02-2018, 10:25 PM   #177
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Hearings usually involve adversaries offering evidence and argument at court.

When it comes to warrants in support of an investigation, you really do not have an adversary to invite to court to argue whether or not the warrant should issue?

If you invited a target of an investigation to come to court and argue against the issuing of a search warrant, you risk the destruction or hiding of evidence because you tip off the target of the investigation that he is a target.

Seems to me that the target usually has to wait until charged with a crime and then can raise constitutional violations in a motion to suppress evidence.
That clears it right up, thanks Matlock
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Hearings usually involve adversaries offering evidence and argument at court.

When it comes to warrants in support of an investigation, you really do not have an adversary to invite to court to argue whether or not the warrant should issue?

If you invited a target of an investigation to come to court and argue against the issuing of a search warrant, you risk the destruction or hiding of evidence because you tip off the target of the investigation that he is a target.

Seems to me that the target usually has to wait until charged with a crime and then can raise constitutional violations in a motion to suppress evidence.
Hopefully you send a text to some russian prostitute and the DOJ finds reason to get a FISA warrant to find out you cheated on your taxes 20 years ago.

Then you might get it.
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