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Old 11-27-2012, 10:10 AM  
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The fact that no one has been fired
means that they are purposely trolling the league for the first pick, and everyone is in on it.

At the end of the season, Romeo will retire. Pioli brings in a new coach, buying himself 2 years with a rookie qb and the new staff, and Hunt lets fat Scott ride out the contract extension that he foolishly offered before the season began.

These are my concerns.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:25 AM   #46
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You fire people to make a point that losing in this manner is not acceptable.
And that does what in terms of building a long-term winner?

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And people have interim coaches/Gm's all the time. Even when the back fill sucks.
Yeah, then that interim coach wins a few games and gets hired permanently. No thanks.

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The purpose is to hit the ground running on being the first team to make hires. This bit us in the ass when we hired Scott so late, and held on to herm through the end of Feb.
Carl resigned with TWO WEEKS LEFT IN THE SEASON. The fact we were late hiring Pioli had NOTHING to do with the previous regime.

Firing Pioli now does nothing in terms of "hitting the ground running". Those preparations are being made (or not) regardless of Pioli's status.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:27 AM   #47
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At this point? I don't give a ****. I'm just tired of seeing him on the sidelines.

Honestly though.....I'm starting to wonder why NOBODY has been fired. You figure that at some point in time there would have been a scapegoat for the season so far.....but nothing has come out. I'm hoping it's because Clark is going to shitcan every one of them at the end of the season.
I could not agree more, and knew at the time they hired Daboll that he was the was the last tit on the hog.
Nobody else wanted the job and nobody else wanted Daboll. A match made in hell.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:28 AM   #48
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I'm not sure what to think, but I'm fairly certain RAC is gone, Daboll is gone, and we will get our QB at the top of the draft somewhere. If, and that is a big IF, Pioli is retained, I'm sure it will be with a diminished role in player personell.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:31 AM   #49
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Correct me if I am wrong, but we can't contact any other team's employee's until that team's season is complete? Fire Pioli at the end of the season. I hope that CHunt has some football person somewhere that he can trust doing research for him right now. We can only hope. And play good football.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:36 AM   #50
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the second part was pure speculation...the only thing close to a consensus rumor we've heard concerning pioli is that he was extended sometime following the 2010 season...
The rumor about Pioli already signing an extension came from geeks on KC radio. And if he did sign after 2010, who cares? So Clark will have to buy him out. What did Clark end up wasting on Routt this year, about $6 million? What's cheaper in the long run, buying Pioli out or continuing to waste money on shitty Pioli signings for a few more years? It's a no-brainer. Bye, Scott.

Then there was a rumor from Jason LaCanfora that Pioli had been offered a two-year extension this year and hadn't signed it because of the buyout language. Which would obviously suggest that he didn't sign an extension previously. But Clark came out and denied that story literally within hours as if he couldn't wait to squash it. Which should have spoken volumes and instead has been completely forgotten.

It was in response to the story Clark denied that people said a two-year extension with questionable buyout language isn't a contract you offer to someone you want to keep. So even if Clark's denial was a lie, the real story is still bad for Pioli.

None of these rumors are good for him. Then there's the Marty rumor -- also not good for Scotty. And if there's a rumor saying "Clark is still in Pioli's corner", I sure haven't heard it.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:37 AM   #51
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As long as Clark is mum on BOTH the firing and the retaining, I'm happy.

Seriously, like he's going to start rolling that public snowball if it doesn't benefit him? I don't blame him...until he keeps Pioli.

All manner of hades will break loose if he does, and hopefully he knows it.
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And that does what in terms of building a long-term winner?
The same as it does by keeping them on staff. Nothing.

Its about the bigger point, which is appeasing your shareholders - the fans. Someone needs their ass fired. This happens in business all the time.

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Yeah, then that interim coach wins a few games and gets hired permanently. No thanks.
This rarely, if ever happens. Know why? Because this type of season happens, that's why.

This is a prime example of why that is a ****ing reeruned solution. Just because you have an interim coach/gm doesn't mean shit in terms of retention. You need a solid decision maker to recognize this.

Scott is not a solid decision maker.

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Carl resigned with TWO WEEKS LEFT IN THE SEASON. The fact we were late hiring Pioli had NOTHING to do with the previous regime.
Carl got his ass fired, because he wasnt performing well. As he damn well should have. Everyone rejoiced. It made no difference on the outcome of the season. What's different from this season? What do we "gain" by waiting? NOTHING. What do we "gain" by firing him now? NOTHING - except happy customers (fans).

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Firing Pioli now does nothing in terms of "hitting the ground running". Those preparations are being made (or not) regardless of Pioli's status.
If those preparations are being made, interviews and such, why do it in the dark and be discreet, with the risk of a huge PR fiasco and Lame Duck speculations? Why allow Scott the time to make preparations, communicate with staff, etc... if you know he's leaving? If you know he's gone, you make him pack his office and escort his ass out. That's how business works.

Firing him now does nothing, but it does make the fans are happy.

Firing him later does nothing, absolutely nothing good.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:38 AM   #53
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If Pioli is fired, and that is a big if, it won't happen until the end of the season. Clark has stated that he wants stability, and going through GMs every few years isn't exactly a sign of stability. Lamar gave his GMs a lot of time, and I think Clark may (hope not) do the same. Either way, if Pioli is canned, it won't be until the season is over; no top flight GM candidate will work for an owner who fires the FO in the middle of the season. It just comes across as petty and unprofessional. If you want a first class organization, you wait until the end of the season--no matter how bad the season goes. As a GM, you don't want to have to be looking over your shoulder every single game. After the season, especially this season, fire to your hearts content-Clark would be fully justified in doing so and I don't think any potential GM would begrudge him.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:39 AM   #54
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The same as it does by keeping them on staff. Nothing.

Its about the bigger point, which is appeasing your shareholders - the fans. Someone needs their ass fired. This happens in business all the time.



This rarely, if ever happens. Know why? Because this type of season happens, that's why.

This is a prime example of why that is a ****ing reeruned solution. Just because you have an interim coach/gm doesn't mean shit in terms of retention. You need a solid decision maker to recognize this.

Scott is not a solid decision maker.



Carl got his ass fired, because he wasnt performing well. As he damn well should have. Everyone rejoiced. It made no difference on the outcome of the season. What's different from this season? What do we "gain" by waiting? NOTHING. What do we "gain" by firing him now? NOTHING - except happy customers (fans).



If those preparations are being made, interviews and such, why do it in the dark and be discreet, with the risk of a huge PR fiasco and Lame Duck speculations? Why allow Scott the time to make preparations, communicate with staff, etc... if you know he's leaving? If you know he's gone, you make him pack his office and escort his ass out. That's how business works.

Firing him now does nothing, but it does make the fans are happy.

Firing him later does nothing, absolutely nothing good.

You're completely delusional if you think the fans are the shareholders.
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means that they are purposely trolling the league for the first pick, and everyone is in on it.

At the end of the season, Romeo will retire. Pioli brings in a new coach, buying himself 2 years with a rookie qb and the new staff, and Hunt lets fat Scott ride out the contract extension that he foolishly offered before the season began.

These are my concerns.
and if this happens, I'm out before I waste another season.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:47 AM   #56
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The same as it does by keeping them on staff. Nothing.

Its about the bigger point, which is appeasing your shareholders - the fans. Someone needs their ass fired. This happens in business all the time.
First of all, the fans are not shareholders.

2nd, you acknowledge that it does nothing yet you still insist that it happens.

That's an emotional response, not a rational one.

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This rarely, if ever happens. Know why? Because this type of season happens, that's why.

This is a prime example of why that is a ****ing reeruned solution. Just because you have an interim coach/gm doesn't mean shit in terms of retention. You need a solid decision maker to recognize this.

Scott is not a solid decision maker.
And nobody you bring in with 5 games left in a 1-10 season is going to be a solid decision maker either.

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Carl got his ass fired, because he wasnt performing well. As he damn well should have. Everyone rejoiced. It made no difference on the outcome of the season. What's different from this season? What do we "gain" by waiting? NOTHING. What do we "gain" by firing him now? NOTHING - except happy customers (fans).
Again, you acknowledge the firing him now gains nothing, except that it make you feel better. That's not a good or prudent way to run a business.

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If those preparations are being made, interviews and such, why do it in the dark and be discreet, with the risk of a huge PR fiasco and Lame Duck speculations? Why allow Scott the time to make preparations, communicate with staff, etc... if you know he's leaving? If you know he's gone, you make him pack his office and escort his ass out. That's how business works.

Firing him now does nothing, but it does make the fans are happy.

Firing him later does nothing, absolutely nothing good.
So back to my original point - you're simply being impatient.

Firing him now or at the end of the season accomplishes the EXACT same thing, INCLUDING appeasing the fans.

The difference is that firing him now appeases the fans NOW, because they can't wait 5 ****ing weeks. Do you let your kids open Christmas presents on Thanksgiving, too?
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You're completely delusional if you think the fans are the shareholders.
Typo - meant to say stakeholders.
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And they got a new GM and HC out of it as well.
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And they got a new GM and HC out of it as well.
we will get a new HC out of it ... don't know about GM yet

most of the Pioli hate around here is borderline stupidity anyway


getting a stud QB and a good HC is what he's screwed up so far and if he gets fired for messing up QB/HC then i understand


but as long as those 2 things get fixed, then i'm ok if he stays
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