Arizona posturing for de facto seccession

[Taco John]

File this under "nullification isn't as dead as some would like you to believe it is."


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Arizona to secede (without OFFICIALLY doing so)

Members of the state Legislature, including Arizona's de facto governor, Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that essentially would have Arizona secede from the union without having to do so officially.

Really.

It's called SB1433, (See it here.) It creates a 12-member committee within the legislature that could "vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government…"

Committee members themselves would decide this, then pass along their recommendation to the full Legislature. If, in turn, a majority of state lawmakers go along with the committee then, according to the bill, "this state and its citizens shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order."

The nullification committee also would be permitted to review all existing federal laws to see if our legislative geniuses want to toss them out as well.

In every legislative session in every state throughout the land there are proposals like this, usually made by a few fringe members who know their proposal has no chance but file it anyway to serve some personal or political agenda.

In this instance, legislators here -- who claim to be strict constitutionalists -- seem fairly willing to ignore what is commonly called the "supremacy clause" of the U.S. Constitution (as well as the Fourteenth Amendment), and which more or less say that federal law supersedes state law.

A state or a person can challenge such laws in court. But a state can't on its own simply declare a federal law to be unconsitutional.

Legislators who propose such things often are quietly patted on the heads and laughed off by their colleagues.

In our case, however, the legislation is being proposed by, among others, Sen. Pearce, the most powerful person in state government.

So, as wacky as the proposal is, that makes it much less of a laughing matter.

Wednesday, February 2, 2011 at 11:57 AM

[La literatura]

Originally Posted by Tom.Jay61

Well yeah, violence is pretty much an understood consequence of seccession.

At what point do you desert the United States army and join the band of merry hillbillies?

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Tom.Jay61

Great analogy, Brick.

How about a handful of armed IRA members kept 35,000 occupying UK troops in Northern Ireland from squashing them, for decades.

How about that.

Brick.

Sure, all they had to do was murder civilians by the truckload and hide behind those same people. I hope you go join them so you can join McVeigh on the gurney. You dumb gunt.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Literature

At what point do you desert the United States army and join the band of merry hillbillies?

You have to understand, he only joined the military because he had no job skills.

[Comrade Crapski]

The very first firefight between government agents and American private citizens will be the ignition point of an all consuming maelstrom that will inundate the nation and render null and void any chance that America might reconstitute itself into its former image afterwards.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index...friendly/51977

[Chief Gump]

Originally Posted by Tom.Jay61

The very first firefight between government agents and American private citizens will be the ignition point of an all consuming maelstrom that will inundate the nation and render null and void any chance that America might reconstitute itself into its former image afterwards.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index...friendly/51977

I hope you can be that person to start that first firefight so you can go down in the history books. What will be written?

[La literatura]

Originally Posted by Tom.Jay61

The very first firefight between government agents and American private citizens will be the ignition point of an all consuming maelstrom that will inundate the nation and render null and void any chance that America might reconstitute itself into its former image afterwards.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index...friendly/51977

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Tom.Jay61

America is building a head of steam preparing to go to war with itself a second time at this very moment. This is not unusual—not in America. We have already had two revolutions. You may recall the American Revolution against Great Britain and the second—the War for Southern Independence, often erroneously referred to as the American Civil War, or the War Between the States.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index...friendly/51977

You don't really believe this nonsense do you?

[Comrade Crapski]

Originally Posted by Brock

Sure, all they had to do was murder civilians by the truckload and hide behind those same people. I hope you go join them so you can join McVeigh on the gurney. You dumb gunt.

you are so ****ing ignorant.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Tom.Jay61

you are so ****ing ignorant.

Yeah, sure. Being called ignorant by a koo koo bird like yourself is really meaningful. Have fun dodging those predator drones, dumbbell.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by Tom.Jay61

America is building a head of steam preparing to go to war with itself a second time at this very moment. This is not unusual—not in America. We have already had two revolutions. You may recall the American Revolution against Great Britain and the second—the War for Southern Independence, often erroneously referred to as the American Civil War, or the War Between the States.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index...friendly/51977

Talk talk talk talk

type type type type

Hens in a henhouse.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by Tom.Jay61

The very first firefight between government agents and American private citizens will be the ignition point of an all consuming maelstrom that will inundate the nation and render null and void any chance that America might reconstitute itself into its former image afterwards.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index...friendly/51977

What is the time frame on this?

[Comrade Crapski]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

You don't really believe this nonsense do you?

We're going to have an economic collapse. You do know that, right?

[Taco John]

Originally Posted by Tom.Jay61

The very first firefight between government agents and American private citizens will be the ignition point of an all consuming maelstrom that will inundate the nation and render null and void any chance that America might reconstitute itself into its former image afterwards.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index...friendly/51977

I don't believe this for a second. If this were the case, why didn't it happen at Waco?

[Comrade Crapski]

Originally Posted by |Zach|

What is the time frame on this?

I predict sometime between now and 2016.

The governmment is coming for the guns. They have to. Because after they succeed at bankrupting the nation and debasing the currency, there is going to be alot of pissed off people.

[Comrade Crapski]

Originally Posted by Taco John

I don't believe this for a second. If this were the case, why didn't it happen at Waco?

Because the argument was made that Branch Davidians were criminals. And they did shoot at an FBI agent.

But suppose the 2nd Amendment is outlawed, the federales will have to enforce it. They are going to go door to door, confiscating weapons.

Inevitably they are going to meet armed resistance.