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Old 02-02-2011, 03:24 PM  
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Arizona posturing for de facto seccession

File this under "nullification isn't as dead as some would like you to believe it is."


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Arizona to secede (without OFFICIALLY doing so)

Members of the state Legislature, including Arizona's de facto governor, Senate President Russell Pearce, have introduced a bill that essentially would have Arizona secede from the union without having to do so officially.

Really.

It's called SB1433, (See it here.) It creates a 12-member committee within the legislature that could "vote by simple majority to nullify in its entirety a specific federal law or regulation that is outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal government…"

Committee members themselves would decide this, then pass along their recommendation to the full Legislature. If, in turn, a majority of state lawmakers go along with the committee then, according to the bill, "this state and its citizens shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order."

The nullification committee also would be permitted to review all existing federal laws to see if our legislative geniuses want to toss them out as well.

In every legislative session in every state throughout the land there are proposals like this, usually made by a few fringe members who know their proposal has no chance but file it anyway to serve some personal or political agenda.

In this instance, legislators here -- who claim to be strict constitutionalists -- seem fairly willing to ignore what is commonly called the "supremacy clause" of the U.S. Constitution (as well as the Fourteenth Amendment), and which more or less say that federal law supersedes state law.

A state or a person can challenge such laws in court. But a state can't on its own simply declare a federal law to be unconsitutional.

Legislators who propose such things often are quietly patted on the heads and laughed off by their colleagues.

In our case, however, the legislation is being proposed by, among others, Sen. Pearce, the most powerful person in state government.

So, as wacky as the proposal is, that makes it much less of a laughing matter.

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Old 02-02-2011, 10:02 PM   #226
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Jenson, do you predict anything bad will happen in your future? YOu know, like bad stuff that happens to other people.
Bad things are foreseeable.
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Old 02-02-2011, 10:02 PM   #227
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That's just your theory.
No, that is not his theory. That is fact. The biggest surprise you got coming in your life is when you figure out that there is what all the book say and there is the way it is.

If experience isn't worth anything and book knowledge is worth everything, as you tend to believe to a degree, then kids straight out of school would be hired as a CEO of large companies.
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Old 02-02-2011, 10:03 PM   #228
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Bad things are foreseeable.
Correction, some bad things are foreseeable. The fact you even said that shows you still have a lot to learn.
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Have fun with that
Do you follow conversations? Do you get things?

People can debate about state secession without resorting to "Well, I just paid $120 for groceries last week."
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No, that is not his theory. That is fact. The biggest surprise you got coming in your life is when you figure out that there is what all the book say and there is the way it is.
What's the difference? What's the book say, and what's the real way it is?
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Poor Jenson, on his wedding night, he and his wife are going to disrobe and she's going to have a bigger dick than his.
You mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.
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Do you follow conversations? Do you get things?

People can debate about state secession without resorting to "Well, I just paid $120 for groceries last week."
the fact you don't or won't comprehend the $120 on groceries aspect of the argument again shows you're lacking in real world experience.
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Correction, some bad things are foreseeable. The fact you even said that shows you still have a lot to learn.
Bad things are foreseeable.
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What's the difference? What's the book say, and what's the real way it is?
I don't know, Jenson, you tell us. How come companies want people with experience?

I work for a law firm, tell me why lawyers out of college aren't immdiately partners? I mean afterall, they read all the law books, right?
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You mock the Church's teachings and mock those people who live out the Church's teachings precisely for living out those teachings.
What does that have to do with secession or the price of groceries?
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the fact you don't or won't comprehend the $120 on groceries aspect of the argument again shows you're lacking in real world experience.
Do you think all people who pay for groceries are in favor of secession and those who don't pay for groceries are not in favor of secession?
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Bad things are foreseeable.
So then you are arguing you are always right about everything. That is the only way you can always forsee all bad things.
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You do realize the Supreme Court has or will soon rule on all those issues? Do they not matter any more?

As I stated in your other thread the Supreme Court ruled the EPA could regulate emissions.

Federal Courts have already overturned the majority of the Arizona immigration law and I imagine when it gets to the SC it will uphold the lower court rulings.

And I think the SC will uphold Obamacare or strip the mandatory portion of it and keep the rest.

But yes it is all Obama's fault
The SC ruled the EPA can regulate. They did not order them to do so. There is a big difference. The application of judgement is sometimes a skill that is poorly applied. In this case we see that in action.

The immigration law is not the issue. I suspect you know that. What is the issue is the decision by the federal government, specifically DHS and the administrations appointees to fail to do what is expected and to walk away from the border situation and confront the issue of illegal immigration. That is where the trust was broken.

I wont speculate on the SC and ObamaCare. The outcome of implementation of ObamaCare as it stands today is more distrust in the federal government and more states looking for ways to restrict an out of control federal government.

Its not all Obama's fault. Its the fault of the congress who allowed it to happen or even more to the point made it happen. It now falls to a new congress to restrain the administration and to the states to find ways to bring back the powers given and exercised with little regard for the will of the people.

Power granted is power than can be taken away. Its the ultimate check and balance.
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Bad things are foreseeable.
Like not having a job and a $800 dollar a month interest payment on a student loan.
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