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**DaFace** · 09:37 AM

Marcellus's thread was clearly a lot of attention whoring, but when it comes down to it, he has a point. The word "true fan" has become a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with a person on here about XXX player or XXX move that the Chiefs have made.

The issue I have with it is that it's increasingly become a straw man insult that doesn't even make sense. Discussion around here lately reminds me of discussions in D.C. where every issue has to be black and white and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The reality is that there are opinions all over the spectrum and that nothing is ever black and white. I'd think there are at least five different categories of Chiefs fans these days:

1 - True "homers" who will cheer for the team and applaud every move they make unconditionally. These types almost don't even exist on ChiefsPlanet (though people like to act like they do). These are only a small portion of the Chiefs fanbase, and they look like this.

2 - Optimists who will always cheer for the Chiefs, but have a sense of realism about it. They probably cheered Cassel for the first few years, but reluctantly joined the SOC bandwagon last year when it was clear that there was just no hope in saving the team under Cassel.

3 - Fans who try to keep a balanced approach. They don't get too excited about drafting a RT at #1 or trading for Alex Smith, but they believe that it's likely the team will at least be improved this year if not dramatically so. Their approach is a "wait and see" reaction, though they'll be quick to criticize if things don't work out.

4 - Pessimists who are skeptical that the Chiefs are going to be competitive any time soon, but who do try and give the team some benefit of the doubt under the new leadership. They're probably not happy about Alex Smith being our QB, but are grudgingly willing to see what he can do.

5 - Total naysayers who have had it with the team for the past 40 years and will refuse to be optimistic until the Chiefs find some real success (playoff wins at a minimum, and Super Bowl contention ideally). They believe that the front office should be constantly scrutinized given that their predecessors were given a long leash and screwed it all up.

Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see where people would put themselves on the spectrum. It seems like most threads these days are battles between 5's and 1's, but I'd bet that those types are actually pretty rare around here. My dream would be that we can one day have discussions that are dominated by 2's, 3's, and 4's, but who knows if that can ever happen until the Chiefs start showing success.

Discus.

Hammock Parties · 08-03-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Ya know, there was a period of a month or so that i hardly got on here and i have to admit, i dont know what in the hell Lil Chiefy is... is it a made up term to slam homers, is it an actual poster who quickly flamed out?

I just dont know...

The highest concentration of Lil Chiefys in one room to date:

**Easy 6** · 08-03-2013, 08:41 PM

Ah, thanks for clearing that up Lee and Clay.

PS - ya gotta admit, in spite of the homerism, thats a pretty cool looking hall full of Chiefs fans... LIKE AN ARMY BITCHES!

Hammock Parties · 08-03-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Ah, thanks for clearing that up Lee and Clay.

PS - ya gotta admit, in spite of the homerism, thats a pretty cool looking hall full of Chiefs fans... LIKE AN ARMY BITCHES!

North Korea has an army.

**Easy 6** · 08-03-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER

North Korea has an army.

I GOT FOURTY NATIONS READY TO ROLL, SON

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-04-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

And on the seventh day, the Lord rested, . . . but SDH JUST KEPT BITCHING!!!

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Originally Posted by scott free

Ah, thanks for clearing that up Lee and Clay.

PS - ya gotta admit, in spite of the homerism, thats a pretty cool looking hall full of Chiefs fans... LIKE AN ARMY OF FAT BITCHES!

Pablo · 08-04-2013, 09:59 AM

If you haven't given up hope after last season and the off-season "moves" the Chiefs made; then you likely never will.

Hope is a dangerous thing, folks.

Marcellus · 08-04-2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

If you haven't given up hope after last season and the off-season "moves" the Chiefs made; then you likely never will.

Hope is a dangerous thing, folks.

So you think we should give up hope?

Shit canning arguable the worst coaching staff and front office in the history of the NFL and going after the best guys available and opening the vault to get every thing they want or need is surely a reason to give up hope.

Pablo · 08-04-2013, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

So you think we should give up hope?

Shit canning arguable the worst coaching staff and front office in the history of the NFL and going after the best guys available and opening the vault to get every thing they want or need is surely a reason to give up hope.

You watched your team play a historically awful season; then trade for a lame stopgap QB and draft a RT No. 1 overall.

If that gets you hard, then so be it.

Titty Meat · 08-04-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

You watched your team play a historically awful season; then trade for a lame stopgap QB and draft a RT No. 1 overall.

If that gets you hard, then so be it.

I think the hope is a top 10 HC with 6 pro bowl players.

Good thing I'm ED

Marcellus · 08-04-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

You watched your team play a historically awful season; then trade for a lame stopgap QB and draft a RT No. 1 overall.

If that gets you hard, then so be it.

You can feel all hopless and lost, its your right.

I do find it hilarious that some fans would have "hope" if we would have used 1.1 on a 2nd round caliber QB.

There wasn't a franchise caliber QB in this draft and I 100% believe if there was Dorsey and Reid would have been all over it.

You can hold your breath and stomp your feet and show disgust all day long, it doesn't change the fact it was a shit QB class.

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-04-2013, 10:34 AM

I'm excited for this season. Best coach in the division, a talented roster, and a QB that won't give games away. ****, they beat multiple playoff teams last year with even Alex at QB including Denver, Indy, and Baltimore at home.

Still, i hated the Fisher pick and still do

FlaChief58 · 08-04-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

I'm excited for this season. Best coach in the division, a talented roster, and a QB that won't give games away. ****, they beat multiple playoff teams last year with even Alex at QB including Denver, Indy, and Baltimore at home.

Still, i hated the Fisher pick and still do

This, although I'm being very reserved in my excitement. If things go bad, it wont hurt so bad

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-04-2013, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Flachief58

This, although I'm being very reserved in my excitement. If things go bad, it wont hurt so bad

Eh, they don't win the blame falls to number 11.

ReynardMuldrake · 08-04-2013, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pablo

If you haven't given up hope after last season and the off-season "moves" the Chiefs made; then you likely never will.

Hope is a dangerous thing, folks.

Zihuatanejo.

FlaChief58 · 08-04-2013, 10:54 AM

If Smith can manage to keep the TOs down & sustain drives, that should win us a few games, then add the MASSIVE improvement in coaching and I see us somewhere between 6-10 wins and possibly competing for a wildcard spot.

Judging by what the players are saying and their body language in their interviews, they all seem genuinely excited about the direction the team is taking. That makes my little man wiggle, but I'm going to wait till they start winning before I go full on homer again.

View Poll Results: How would you classify yourself?
1 - Homer	7	2.44%
2 - Optimist	85	29.62%
3 - Balanced	116	40.42%
4 - Pessimist	67	23.34%
5 - Naysayer	8	2.79%
Generic Alternate Zresponse	4	1.39%
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05-03-2013, 09:30 AM
DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $2116899	Let's talk about "true fans" Marcellus's thread was clearly a lot of attention whoring, but when it comes down to it, he has a point. The word "true fan" has become a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with a person on here about XXX player or XXX move that the Chiefs have made. The issue I have with it is that it's increasingly become a straw man insult that doesn't even make sense. Discussion around here lately reminds me of discussions in D.C. where every issue has to be black and white and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The reality is that there are opinions all over the spectrum and that nothing is ever black and white. I'd think there are at least five different categories of Chiefs fans these days: 1 - True "homers" who will cheer for the team and applaud every move they make unconditionally. These types almost don't even exist on ChiefsPlanet (though people like to act like they do). These are only a small portion of the Chiefs fanbase, and they look like this. 2 - Optimists who will always cheer for the Chiefs, but have a sense of realism about it. They probably cheered Cassel for the first few years, but reluctantly joined the SOC bandwagon last year when it was clear that there was just no hope in saving the team under Cassel. 3 - Fans who try to keep a balanced approach. They don't get too excited about drafting a RT at #1 or trading for Alex Smith, but they believe that it's likely the team will at least be improved this year if not dramatically so. Their approach is a "wait and see" reaction, though they'll be quick to criticize if things don't work out. 4 - Pessimists who are skeptical that the Chiefs are going to be competitive any time soon, but who do try and give the team some benefit of the doubt under the new leadership. They're probably not happy about Alex Smith being our QB, but are grudgingly willing to see what he can do. 5 - Total naysayers who have had it with the team for the past 40 years and will refuse to be optimistic until the Chiefs find some real success (playoff wins at a minimum, and Super Bowl contention ideally). They believe that the front office should be constantly scrutinized given that their predecessors were given a long leash and screwed it all up. Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see where people would put themselves on the spectrum. It seems like most threads these days are battles between 5's and 1's, but I'd bet that those types are actually pretty rare around here. My dream would be that we can one day have discussions that are dominated by 2's, 3's, and 4's, but who knows if that can ever happen until the Chiefs start showing success. Discus. Last edited by DaFace; 05-03-2013 at 09:37 AM..
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08-04-2013, 10:54 AM	#315
FlaChief58 SuperChiefs Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Florida Casino cash: $2349822	If Smith can manage to keep the TOs down & sustain drives, that should win us a few games, then add the MASSIVE improvement in coaching and I see us somewhere between 6-10 wins and possibly competing for a wildcard spot. Judging by what the players are saying and their body language in their interviews, they all seem genuinely excited about the direction the team is taking. That makes my little man wiggle, but I'm going to wait till they start winning before I go full on homer again.
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