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Kerberos · 04-17-2011, 12:55 PM

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Scott Pioli would draft Tyson Jackson all over again
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 17, 2011, 1:21 PM EDT

Before Peter King put Tyson Jackson third in his Sports Illustrated Mock Draft two years ago, no one thought Jackson was even a top-15 pick. And wouldn’t you know: Jackson went third to the Chiefs in a stunning choice.

Jackson was supposed to be a safe, if unflashy building block to Kansas City’s 3-4 defense. Perhaps an answer to New England’s Ty Warren. It hasn’t worked out that way so far, but Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli said he would make the same pick all over again.

“I’d take the same player again,” Pioli said this week via Bob Gretz.com. “Absolutely. Absolutely.”

Hmmm. We suppose Pioli has to say that, but it defies belief. Jackson only started three games last year. The same draft class included defenders like B.J. Raji, Brian Cushing, and Brian Orakpo in the top 15 picks.

We know sack numbers aren’t a big deal for 3-4 defensive ends, but Jackson has one in two seasons. He was arguably the fourth best end on his team last year behind Wallace Gilberry, Glenn Dorsey, and Shaun Smith.

“I know the jury is still out [on Jackson]; we all need to see that,” Pioli said. ”Everyone in our organization is pretty confident still that Tyson is going to be a good player.”

We need to see it soon. Jackson isn’t a Vernon Gholston-type bust, but there’s no spinning the fact a lot more is expected out of a top-3 pick.

keg in kc · 04-17-2011, 05:34 PM

Scott Pioli in safe answer to stupid question shocker.

Titty Meat · 04-17-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

If someone gave me the choice to **** Megan Fox or Kathy Bates, id really be tempted to **** Megan Fox.

You'd choose whoever had a brother because you're a bundle of sticks.

-King- · 04-17-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Maybe we should go with the guy who already won more playoff games in two years than ours won in 40. We could try that.

Would we even be close to the playoffs with Sanchez? Hell no.

Did he turn it up in the playoffs? Yes. Does that excuse his subpar reg. season performance? No. He's lucky he's on a team that requires only an average at best performance from it's QB to win. We aren't that team. Few teams are.

Frankie · 04-17-2011, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

If someone gave me the choice to **** Megan Fox or Kathy Bates, id really be tempted to **** Megan Fox.

Point taken. But a lot of people here were so excited and couldn't believe Dorsey "fell to us at 5."

Titty Meat · 04-17-2011, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Would we even be close to the playoffs with Sanchez? Hell no.

Did he turn it up in the playoffs? Yes. Does that excuse his subpar reg. season performance? No. He's lucky he's on a team that requires only an average at best performance from it's QB to win. We aren't that team. Few teams are.

Yea oh man i'm so glad we don't have Sanchez our passing game tore shit up last year!

**The Franchise** · 04-17-2011, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Dorsey was considered the #1 player on many draft sites regardless of position. IMO, he has not lived up to that hype and I wonder if he has not reached his ceiling.

To be really honest, if Denver offered us their first rounder for him I might be real tempted for a chance to choose between Vonn Miller and Marcel Dareaus.

You do realize that Dorsey isn't and hasn't been used correctly since we drafted him....right?

**The Franchise** · 04-17-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Would we even be close to the playoffs with Sanchez? Hell no.

Did he turn it up in the playoffs? Yes. Does that excuse his subpar reg. season performance? No. He's lucky he's on a team that requires only an average at best performance from it's QB to win. We aren't that team. Few teams are.

How do you know how he would do on this team? Look at their schedule compared to ours.

Frankie · 04-17-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

You do realize that Dorsey isn't and hasn't been used correctly since we drafted him....right?

I don't recall any position "technic," and admit spotting that is not my strength. But We have used him as a DT in a 43 and a DE in the 34. So far he has not impressed per expectations.

Don't get me wrong, he has not been a bust IMO, but not elite and representative of where he was picked either.

**The Franchise** · 04-17-2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

I don't recall any position "technic," and admit spotting that is not my strength. But We have used him as a DT in a 43 and a DE in the 34. So far he has not impressed per expectations.

Don't get me wrong, he has not been a bust IMO, but not elite and representative of where he was picked either.

Herm basically used him as a run-stuffing DT in the 4-3.......which was the opposite of what he should have been doing.

**SAUTO** · 04-17-2011, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

How do you know how he would do on this team? Look at their schedule compared to ours.

He already posted td to int stats for him against sub .500 teams. I would think that would be a good comparison.
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ChiefsCountry · 04-17-2011, 06:51 PM

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He already posted td to int stats for him against sub .500 teams. I would think that would be a good comparison.
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**SAUTO** · 04-17-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=939

sanchez went plus five in td int ratio against sub .500 teams. plus four overall.

cassel was plus 20. Overall.

No matter what you think that is huge. Especially when you factor in offensive lines.
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keg in kc · 04-17-2011, 07:42 PM

Sanchez has been terrible his first two years as a pro. Maybe it'll eventually click, maybe it won't. Either way, I don't think he was drafted for what they expected him to do in 2009 and 2010.

ChiefsCountry · 04-17-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Sanchez has been terrible his first two years as a pro. Maybe it'll eventually click, maybe it won't. Either way, I don't think he was drafted for what they expected him to do in 2009 and 2010.

Yeah he played so horrible that he took them to AFC Championship Game both years.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-17-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Yeah he played so horrible that he took them to AFC Championship Game both years.

This is absurd already.

He's in the perfect situation and the likelyhood that could be duplicated here is massively questionable.

04-17-2011, 12:55 PM
Kerberos Chiefs Baby Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Henderson, NV Casino cash: $10000632	Scott Pioli would draft Tyson Jackson all over again http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ll-over-again/ Scott Pioli would draft Tyson Jackson all over again Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 17, 2011, 1:21 PM EDT Before Peter King put Tyson Jackson third in his Sports Illustrated Mock Draft two years ago, no one thought Jackson was even a top-15 pick. And wouldn’t you know: Jackson went third to the Chiefs in a stunning choice. Jackson was supposed to be a safe, if unflashy building block to Kansas City’s 3-4 defense. Perhaps an answer to New England’s Ty Warren. It hasn’t worked out that way so far, but Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli said he would make the same pick all over again. “I’d take the same player again,” Pioli said this week via Bob Gretz.com. “Absolutely. Absolutely.” Hmmm. We suppose Pioli has to say that, but it defies belief. Jackson only started three games last year. The same draft class included defenders like B.J. Raji, Brian Cushing, and Brian Orakpo in the top 15 picks. We know sack numbers aren’t a big deal for 3-4 defensive ends, but Jackson has one in two seasons. He was arguably the fourth best end on his team last year behind Wallace Gilberry, Glenn Dorsey, and Shaun Smith. “I know the jury is still out [on Jackson]; we all need to see that,” Pioli said. ”Everyone in our organization is pretty confident still that Tyson is going to be a good player.” We need to see it soon. Jackson isn’t a Vernon Gholston-type bust, but there’s no spinning the fact a lot more is expected out of a top-3 pick.
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