Chiefs Jake Long not at top of FA LT list - Page 11

Hammock Parties · 02-15-2013, 09:06 AM

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nsive-tackles/

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2. Jake Long
2012 Grade: -0.4
2012 Snaps: 745

Summary: Two years ago Jake Long was playing in a manner that made many hesitate when judging the Miami Dolphins for passing on Matt Ryan; the Falcons’ signal-caller was elite, but so was Jake Long at the “crucial” position of left tackle. Right now Long is just another example of the “what have you done for me lately” attitude in this league, with the Dolphins seemingly set to let him walk rather than pay him mega-bucks to hang around. Remember, two years ago Long was coming off of three consecutive seasons with a PFF grade of +30.0 or greater and was in the conversation as the league’s best left tackle.

Now, after two injury-affected seasons, Long has seen his performances and his league-wide stock slip somewhat to the extent that some may view him as damaged goods. Even so, Long is still a more than capable left tackle and with the knowledge of the “upside” of the first three years of his career it wouldn’t be a surprise to see someone take a risk on him.

Though he didn’t match his prior level this season, his issue was a couple of dodgy games in pass protection that accounted for a combined -7.4 pass protection grade, as he yielded two sacks, four hits, and four hurries to the Colts and Seahawks. If Long’s value is driven low and he can put the injuries behind him, someone could get a steal here. If not, someone could waste a lot of money on a worn down player entering a downward spiral.

Rasputin · 03-11-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Verge? After five years, two offensive coordinator and multiple picks in order to draft better off offensive players, Matt Ryan is on the verge of elite?

Wow, you don't say? How many other offensive weapons does he need before being considered elite?

They did have the best record in the NFC right? Sure they blow it in the playoffs I get that. Matt Ryan is still a damn good QB if you watch him on film you can see that he is pretty damn good. Yes his weapons around him help I won't say they don't. I would have been happy if Chiefs traded up to grab him in that draft.

Rasputin · 03-11-2013, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Verge? After five years, two offensive coordinator and multiple picks in order to draft better off offensive players, Matt Ryan is on the verge of elite?

Wow, you don't say? How many other offensive weapons does he need before being considered elite?

How many years did it take Peyton ****ing Manning to break the code in the playoffs? ? ?

**Saul Good** · 03-11-2013, 08:06 PM

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How many years did it take Peyton ****ing Manning to break the code in the playoffs? ? ?

6 years

**Saul Good** · 03-11-2013, 08:07 PM

Manning has won 14 games in a season twice...the same as Ryan.

**BossChief** · 03-11-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Nice. Avoid reality to make snide comments instead.

Let's make this the simple: Would Miami, coming off a 1-15 season, be better off today had they taken Ryan? If so, prove it.

Otherwise, shut your ****ing piehole.

Would you say Chad Pennington was better than Matt Ryan?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-11-2013, 08:28 PM

Prove it! How the **** do you prove that? That's like saying "I can prove that Alex Smith will lead the Chiefs to the post-season"! You can't prove that. Conversely, you can pretty much prove the exact opposite.
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**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Sorry for being so confrontational and argumentative. You and Buzz Tin Ballz are really good at this.

And you're just being your typical asshole self that pops into conversations, distorts facts, then laughs about it.

You're a ****ing worthless ****.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

How many years did it take Peyton ****ing Manning to break the code in the playoffs? ? ?

And Bill Polian recently admitted he wanted to trade Peyton Manning after the 2004 season.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2013, 09:19 PM

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Prove it! How the **** do you prove that? That's like saying "I can prove that Alex Smith will lead the Chiefs to the post-season"! You can't prove that. Conversely, you can pretty much prove the exact opposite.
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Actually, you want to know the truth? Alex Smith and Matty Ryan are pretty much the same guy. Load up their respective teams with talent and good coaching and you're going to win a shit ton of regular season games. Matt Ryan lost every post season game until this year, when his team eeked out a win over Seattle.

Personally, I've blamed that loss on Pete Carroll for flying his team in on Saturday instead of Thursday. They didn't get hot until the second half and were tired from the 5+ hour flight the day before. But that's neither here nor there because what's done is done.

But in 2013? I see Atlanta, at best, as the fourth best team in the NFC behind SF, Seattle and Green Bay. I expect that Chicago, NY, Washington, New Orleans (with the return of Mickey and Payton) and Dallas to be improved, so they're certainly no shoe-in next year.

Atlanta's playoff games? 30-24 LOSS, none, 48-21 LOSS, 24-2 LOSS, 30-28 Win, 24-28 LOSS.

So, Matt Ryan is elite, eh? Yet he lost by 34, lost by 28, lost by 22, won by 2 and lost by 4.

Kinda makes you think that if he gone to the Dolphins, his career under Tony Sparano would have been much better.

**Saul Good** · 03-11-2013, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And you're just being your typical asshole self that pops into conversations, distorts facts, then laughs about it.

You're a ****ing worthless ****.

So I popped into your conversation before you even posted? You don't seem to grasp the linear nature of time, do you?

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2013, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

So I popped into your conversation before you even posted? You don't seem to grasp the linear nature of time, do you?

You're just a ****ing jackass whose sole (Saul?) purpose in this forum is to punch holes in other people's opinions.

Have fun with that, jackass. But you lose.

Matt Ryan wouldn't have been a better choice for Miami because Miami is a dysfunctional wreck. Bill Parcells would have not spent the draft choices or made the trades necessary to make a mediocre talent like Matt Ryan successful.

**Saul Good** · 03-11-2013, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Actually, you want to know the truth? Alex Smith and Matty Ryan are pretty much the same guy. Load up their respective teams with talent and good coaching and you're going to win a shit ton of regular season games. Matt Ryan lost every post season game until this year, when his team eeked out a win over Seattle.

Personally, I've blamed that loss on Pete Carroll for flying his team in on Saturday instead of Thursday. They didn't get hot until the second half and were tired from the 5+ hour flight the day before. But that's neither here nor there because what's done is done.

But in 2013? I see Atlanta, at best, as the fourth best team in the NFC behind SF, Seattle and Green Bay. I expect that Chicago, NY, Washington, New Orleans (with the return of Mickey and Payton) and Dallas to be improved, so they're certainly no shoe-in next year.

Atlanta's playoff games? 34-0 LOSS, none, 48-21 LOSS, 24-2 LOSS, 30-28 Win, 24-28 LOSS.

So, Matt Ryan is elite, eh? Yet he lost by 34, lost by 28, lost by 22, won by 2 and lost by 4.

Kinda makes you think that if he gone to the Dolphins, his career under Tony Sparano would have been much better.

So not only do you not understand time, you don't understand reality. That first game you bolded? It never happened.

-King- · 03-11-2013, 09:25 PM

Dolphins record the 5 years before Jake Long: 30-50 (.375)
Dolphins record the 5 years after drafting Jake Long: 38-42 (.475)

Falcons record the 5 years before Matt Ryan: 35-45 (.438)
Falcons record the 5 years after drafting Matt Ryan: 56-24 (.700)

Dane is such an idiot.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2013, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

So not only do you not understand time, you don't understand reality. That first game you bolded? It never happened.

You just made my point, Honky.

It was still a loss, 30-24

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2013, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Dolphins record the 5 years before Jake Long: 30-50
Dolphins record the 5 years after drafting Jake Long: 38-42

Falcons record the 5 years before Matt Ryan: 35-45
Falcons record the 5 years after drafting Matt Ryan: 56-24

Dane is such an idiot.

So go ahead and prove to us all that Matt Ryan would have made Miami a successful franchise and was the better selection.

JFC, you people live in a ****ing bubble.

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