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Andy Reid on Mike & Mike: "Alex is our quarterback by the way"

Don't want to read too much into the conversation but just watched Andy on M&M this morning and he made it clear that Alex was the QB. Mentioned that he could still play, was at the Pro Bowl (), and can do all the things he wants his guy to do.

In essence, we can put any talk of Tony Romo, Nick Foles, or any other retread to bed. But, they did talk about college system QBs briefly (no one specific), and he said that as long as they feel like a guy can learn, it is their job to transition a college system QB and that it doesn't effect their decision on which type to take.

So, will we draft a QB? Idk, my bet is on yes since Foles is apparently gone.
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Old 01-26-2017, 01:30 PM   #121
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Not really meaning to, but yeah..

To specifically post that this one game can't and won't define him... and then to have it define him.. welp.. Just kind of makes you wonder if it's just an example (as for many here) that they are knee-jerk reactions to a painful loss.
It's not so much a knee-jerk reaction to one painful loss. It's a knee-jerk reaction to 40 years of loss.

You nor TigerUppers just don't understand our flustrations and you two don't even try to understand.
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Not really meaning to, but yeah..

To specifically post that this one game can't and won't define him... and then to have it define him.. welp.. Just kind of makes you wonder if it's just an example (as for many here) that they are knee-jerk reactions to a painful loss.
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Old 01-26-2017, 01:32 PM   #124
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DJ... I don't want to have to search for it, so hopefully you will admit and explain this.

About a week before the PIT game, you made a great post about how Alex Smith is and was Alex Smith. He would be the same guy before and after this one game... and this game would not define him.. whether great or poor performance.

Will you admit to stating this?

Because if so... then you were content.. maybe not thrilled.. but content with Alex as a starter.. and defended him many times before this game.

.. but it sure feels like you stated what you did pre-game.. and now have thoroughly became that which you so frequently fought against... because of that one game.
I did say exactly that.

But I came to the conclusion that the team around him has to play too well after watching that game and started thinking about combined probabilities.

To get to a SB would require one of 2 things - enough wins to only need 2 playoff Ws or 3 playoff Ws.

Now even assuming that we manage the first thing (which is a hell of a high bar anymore and took some incredibly timely playmaking/turnovers that simply don't show year to year repeatability), that's still 2 wins that you need in January to advance to the SB.

And with Smith's style of game, the Chiefs simply have to play virtually mistake-free football to win both of those games. Now there's a chance; maybe 70% even, that they can do that once. But they'd have to do it twice and the laws of combined probability say that there's less than a 50% chance of them pulling that trick.

It isn't that I changed my mind on Smith as much as I changed my mind on football in general. Smith is still an adequate QB (and I've said it many times in the Mellinger thread; guy's a credible QB that can help many teams and in fact helped this one get here). But to win with him you need a team that's going to play extremely well around him and the odds of doing that frequently enough to get a top 2 seed or doing so three times in January are just very long. The margins between success and failure in a parity driven league are too tight to expect that your other 52 guys are going to win their battles handily in successive weeks.

Smith leading a conference championship team is simply a bad mathematical bet. And why I've focused on that single play so much is because it's a perfectly distilled image of what makes Smith incapable of pulling his team past those mistakes. All he needed to do was make one play on a night that his team simply didn't have it - he didn't make it and that's a play that shows perfectly why (and could've easily been that one play).

A championship team needs to have a QB that can save them, maybe only once, on a night in January where they're just spinning their wheels a bit. The Chiefs don't have that QB; they have the same credible, middle of the road guy that Smith has always been.

I'm no longer convinced that the odds are good enough with him under center to justify not making a change.
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Old 01-26-2017, 01:34 PM   #125
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He's not calling me out, half-wit.

That's an invitation for discourse and not something I've ever shied away from. Stop bringing knives to intellectual gunfights and perhaps someday you can make the same claim.
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It's not so much a knee-jerk reaction to one painful loss. It's a knee-jerk reaction to 40 years of loss.

You nor TigerUppers just don't understand our flustrations and you two don't even try to understand.
Guess what I don't understand is the lack of separation between :


- years of suffering

and

- having those years of suffering warp your thinking on reality.

I can understand hurting, and being angry that this or that guy didn't do more to win. What I don't understand is taking that feeling.. weeks after the jolt of the loss... and allowing it to evolve into a huge, hyperbolic stew of misguided condemnation.
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Andy Reid has the guy he wants, Smith passing up risks is what Andy prefers

Alex Smith throwing to the 1st option is what Andy WANTS

He does NOT want a Donovan McNabb who freelances around


Dorsey has not drafted a QB early because Reid doesn't want another QB. Period.

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I don't think he has the patience to develop a qb anymore and smith was a safer choice than a rookie.
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Here is more objective data... Running backs rushed for half as many touchdowns as last year. But it's Alexs fault.

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Guess what I don't understand is the lack of separation between :


- years of suffering

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- having those years of suffering warp your thinking on reality.

I can understand hurting, and being angry that this or that guy didn't do more to win. What I don't understand is taking that feeling.. weeks after the jolt of the loss... and allowing it to evolve into a huge, hyperbolic stew of misguided condemnation.
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results / Albert Einstein


The flustrating part has been wanting a change in approach on how to get to the Super Bowl because doing the same we have done throughout the Carl Peterson era is freaking insane .
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And with Smith's style of game, the Chiefs simply have to play virtually mistake-free football to win both of those games.

But to win with him you need a team that's going to play extremely well around him and the odds of doing that frequently enough to get a top 2 seed or doing so three times in January are just very long.
Sorry to condense, but trying to cut to the heart of it.

See, this feels like hyperbole to me. I don't think "the team needs to play extremely well" for the desired results. They just need to not suck.

We can give the defense its pass... just on points allowed alone. We can disregard that they tore us up on the ground for 171 yds and a 5.7 avr. We can overlook the 191 yards from Brown and some TE named Jesse James. We can overlook the disparity of offensive plays 66-49, and overwhelming TOP of 34/25.

What did it come down to?

a 14 play, 75 yard TD drive... and a 2 point conversion that was successful... until it wasn't.

Am I saying Smith had a great game? absolutely not. But did the pass pro, run blocking, or ANY other aspect of the KC team play well? Nope. Add in the two (or five) critical dropped passes.

.. and they STILL were right there in the end.. on Smith's arm.. a tied game.. until it wasn't.

This whole mantra of "he needs everything around him to be perfect to win" is absurd exaggeration. He just needs others not to suck. Only few QBs in the league (if even them) can overcome a team that plays that poorly in so many facets.
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u really feel that's what I am doing?

u have a differing opinion on a football related matter, so you come at me with this... and that means I am making an ass of myself?

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Sorry to condense, but trying to cut to the heart of it.

See, this feels like hyperbole to me. I don't think "the team needs to play extremely well" for the desired results. They just need to not suck.

We can give the defense its pass... just on points allowed alone. We can disregard that they tore us up on the ground for 171 yds and a 5.7 avr. We can overlook the 191 yards from Brown and some TE named Jesse James. We can overlook the disparity of offensive plays 66-49, and overwhelming TOP of 34/25.

What did it come down to?

a 14 play, 75 yard TD drive... and a 2 point conversion that was successful... until it wasn't.

Am I saying Smith had a great game? absolutely not. But did the pass pro, run blocking, or ANY other aspect of the KC team play well? Nope. Add in the two (or five) critical dropped passes.

.. and they STILL were right there in the end.. on Smith's arm.. a tied game.. until it wasn't.

This whole mantra of "he needs everything around him to be perfect to win" is absurd exaggeration. He just needs others not to suck. Only few QBs in the league (if even them) can overcome a team that plays that poorly in so many facets.
And yet we ran into the same problem in NE last year. And in Indy the playoffs prior.

And let me be clear - in neither of those losses am I blaming Smith, in fact Smith played his ass off in that Indy game. But there were plays to be made in both that could've advanced the Chiefs and Smith didn't make them. Nor do I think it's likely that he'll ever actually make them. You keep saying that the team around him has to just 'not suck' yet here we sit for a 3rd time in 3 playoff years with a team that lost because it sucked. I suspect it's because pretty much every playoff team has a bad game and for the championship teams, their QB can pull them from the fire. And like I said - I don't expect it every post-season game, but I think asking for a QB that can give you a mulligan, if only one, isn't asking too much.

In 3 games where he's been within a score of moving forward, he hasn't. And in the one game where he did, it was an unholy massacre. Smith had 3 opportunities to provide his teammates a mulligan and he managed zero. And I firmly believe that had he gotten either this year's squad or last year's into the AFC championship game, they'd have won it. But he just couldn't get them that second bite at an apple. In win or go home situations, you desperately need someone under center that can at least occasionally provide that and I don't think Smith is that guy.

It's the whole 'a brick is not a wall' concept - add enough bricks and it's a wall you end up with. Smith's now 0-3 in one-score playoff games in KC and that's extremely disconcerting. As is the fact that he's getting older and isn't advancing in terms of how he operates the offense. If anything, the version of the offense we ran this season was simpler than anything we ran in years past.

I don't need a reason to fire Smith - I need a reason to keep him (or at least not actively explore alternatives). That margin is never going to be terribly broad for a 'game manager' with no real post-season achievements on his resume as it is. I have enough bricks for my tastes and I think it's time that we find someone else.
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Sorry to condense, but trying to cut to the heart of it.

See, this feels like hyperbole to me. I don't think "the team needs to play extremely well" for the desired results. They just need to not suck.

We can give the defense its pass... just on points allowed alone. We can disregard that they tore us up on the ground for 171 yds and a 5.7 avr. We can overlook the 191 yards from Brown and some TE named Jesse James. We can overlook the disparity of offensive plays 66-49, and overwhelming TOP of 34/25.

What did it come down to?

a 14 play, 75 yard TD drive... and a 2 point conversion that was successful... until it wasn't.

Am I saying Smith had a great game? absolutely not. But did the pass pro, run blocking, or ANY other aspect of the KC team play well? Nope. Add in the two (or five) critical dropped passes.

.. and they STILL were right there in the end.. on Smith's arm.. a tied game.. until it wasn't.

This whole mantra of "he needs everything around him to be perfect to win" is absurd exaggeration. He just needs others not to suck. Only few QBs in the league (if even them) can overcome a team that plays that poorly in so many facets.

Smith hasn't been consistent all year long. He gives maybe a good quarter or two but does not give four quarters of good football. He lags like jet lag.

The Jets game actually came to mind. 8 turnovers and two of them went back for touchdowns but we could only muster 24 points for the game? Why wouldn't Alex Smith be able to produce more points off of turnovers that game? We should have had 30+ points.

I believe those concussions in Colts game did hurt Alex Smith and he won't be getting any better after them. Any more hits like that or off the turf he will have scrambled eggs for brains.

We were actually fortunate to win a lot of these close games the defense kept us in them and we found ways to win them but for the most part we had a lot of losable games because this offense keeps teams in it. I'm happy for the wins but accepting mediocrity isn't my thing and Alex Smith is a mediocre to ok quarterback at times quarterback. Nothing special about him.
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