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Chiefs' Patrick Mahomes looks more ready than expected

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They say you should never make conclusions based on preseason games and blah-blah-blah they’re usually right but here’s an exception:

The Chiefs aren’t signing any veteran to be the in-case-of-emergency-break-glass backup quarterback.

That was a widely acknowledged possibility, what with Patrick Mahomes still just 21 years old and all.

But, yeah. Forget that.

A week ago, Mahomes was (wink-wink) the Chiefs’ No. 3 quarterback. But midway through the second quarter, coach Andy Reid told him to warmup, that he was going in with the ones, and he turned the surprise news into the biggest takeaway in what eventually became a 30-12 win over the Bengals here on Saturday.

“He, for sure, had some nice plays,” Reid said. “He’s an enthusiastic kid, loves to play, and I thought he played well.”

Reid could watch a rocket bust up a meteor and say, “I thought the scientists did a good job executing,” so “for sure, had some nice plays,” is his equivalent of a cartwheel roundoff to a back hamstring in a Mahomes No. 15 jersey.

If you are the type of football fan who remembers preseason games, you will remember this as the night Mahomes showed every throw the NFL requires — plus a few extracurriculars.

“He had like two or three plays he threw off his back foot and across the field,” tight end Travis Kelce said. “Those are the plays you can’t teach. That’s just him being Mahomes.”

It was more than enough to trust him if and when starter Alex Smith — and, yes, Smith should be the starter — is injured.

At Big 12 media day, Texas Tech coach Kliff Kingsbury said he hoped his old quarterback wouldn’t have to play as a rookie but that if he did Reid could scheme in a way to keep Mahomes from being overwhelmed.

That remains true, but if you trust preseason football even this much then Mahomes showed he can do some things on his own, too.

The play that will likely get the most talk is the scramble, and it was nice — an 8-yard drop to the 25, then through the grasp of Bengals linebacker Jordan Willis, through a hole in the line and beating the angle of linebacker Vincent Ray to the edge for a dive at the pylon that was initially ruled a touchdown but rightfully brought back out to the 2.

Kansas City Chiefs rookie quarterback Patrick Mahomes spoke Wednesday about his first preseason game action against the 49ers and his first NFL touchdown pass.

David Eulitt The Kansas City Star
But the most impressive play — the one that Smith is the least likely to make — came on a 3rd and 1 in the red zone. The design was a run-fake to the left, then naked bootleg to the right. But defensive end Will Clarke was neither blocked nor fooled, and had an open run at the quarterback’s chest.

Mahomes (6-foot-2, 225 pounds) stiff-armed Clarke (6-6, 275), then ran away from him, and gathered enough momentum up the field to throw a 23-yard fastball to Gavin Escobar between three defenders and the sideline. First down, plus a totally unnecessary, untouched, why-the-heck-not fall to the ground after releasing the ball.


“It wasn’t there right away,” Escobar said. “I saw Patrick rolling out, staying with the play, and I just stayed with him toward the sideline. He made eye contact, so I knew he was going to dot me. He put it right where it needed to be. I’ve seen him do that in practice, too.”

Oh, there was plenty else. He converted all four of his third downs, including a 3rd-and-6 to Hill and a 3rd-and-14 to DeAnthony Thomas each over the middle of the field — often a danger zone for young quarterbacks.

There was the laser on an out-route to Jehu Chesson, the touchdown to Demetrius Harris on what looked like his third read, and the way he’s able to get the ball out in a virtual blink on the quick-hit stuff that’s such a big part of Reid’s offense.

Exhale, and repeat: it’s-just-preseason, it’s-just-preseason, it’s-just-preseason. If it helps, remember that his first throw was nearly picked off.

It’s a strange thing. Smith is having a terrific preseason, both in games and practice. He is sharp, decisive, and his touchdown pass to Harris against good coverage is illustrative of what appears to be an increased willingness to take some risks (at least so far).

Alex Smith completed 8 of 9 passes and a touchdown as the Chiefs beat the Bengals 30-12 in preseason game on August 19, 2017.

Blair Kerkhoff The Kansas City Star
The Chiefs went 12-4 last year, swept the division, and nobody likes to talk about this but Smith was actually pretty good in that playoff loss to the Steelers — particularly when they opened it up at the end.

If he can be more like the 2015 version of himself — before some combination of zone defenses and his head bouncing off the concrete turf in Indianapolis twice diminished his effectiveness as a runner — it will only bolster a team that already has real Super Bowl hopes.

Mahomes is the 21-year-old backup from an Air Raid college offense that so far has produced the same number of good quarterbacks as your local dive bar.

In other words: Smith is the starter, and should be, and if Mahomes makes any starts this season other than a potential end-of-the-year, playoff-positioning-is-all-set game, then something went wrong for the Chiefs.

But, maybe, if this is even a little real, not as wrong as the Chiefs would’ve thought.
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Old 08-20-2017, 10:07 AM   #61
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God. Damn.

THANK YOU Chiefs organization for Mahomes and at least bringing us hope.

Best feeling I've had being a Chiefs fan in YEARS

Dick Vermeil proud after we beat the Patriots after they won the Super Bowl that's a moment not to forget.


That's how proud I am I could cry with Dick Vermeil
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Old 08-20-2017, 10:21 AM   #62
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His footwork playing under center looked really bad. Otherwise very happy with last night's performance.

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Old 08-20-2017, 10:41 AM   #63
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and now all of a sudden, Smith knows where to put the damn ball. That pass to Kelce was awesome. I've never seen Smith place a ball like that. Something has change. Compition? Sure, but I think Hill is a huge factor in this too.
And why my prediction that I made earlier in the weeks prior that we will see a much more "aggressive downfield Smith" this year making more plays. Competition always exposes whether someone will step up or fade. So far Alex is stepping up his game it seems which is good and yes having a nuclear WR makes it easy hitting a much more open target downfield

But to piggyback on your comment about the WR's, this is lineup I hope makes the roster based on talent(that I see) and what will best for our future MVP QB IMHO.

1.Hill
2.Conley
3.Robinson
4.Jones(our own Martavias Bryant but with a brain who continually beats Marcus Peters in practice) love this kid
5.Chesson
6.Dieter(our own Cooper Kupp that will be a McAffery type possession receiver - love this kid)

DAT is playing well no doubt and maybe the "lightbulb" has gone on for him and if AR thinks he can trust him and work him in so be it but I don't trust him(physically and mentally -too soft for me, but he did take a pretty good shot and kept moving forward last night for a good gain on that one particular play.)

For me DAT and AW are future draft picks.
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Old 08-20-2017, 10:43 AM   #64
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I am now officially on the DAT bandwagon.

Sadly, not even Lucy can change my stance on Wilson.
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Old 08-20-2017, 10:50 AM   #65
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https://youtu.be/VAha2FizYFs

Won't let me embed, but Mahomes was fantastic. On a side note, 77 needs to turn in his playbook right now. He ****ing sucks.
I love how the Bengals commentators were agitated and beleaguered by how PMII was PWNing their asses
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Old 08-20-2017, 10:54 AM   #66
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I am still aiming for the last month of the season guys. 3 straight games at home is an extremely nice setup for a rookie QB.

And let's be honest: we would rather see Mahomes in the playoffs than Alex.
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And why my prediction that I made earlier in the weeks prior that we will see a much more "aggressive downfield Smith" this year making more plays. Competition always exposes whether someone will step up or fade. So far Alex is stepping up his game it seems which is good and yes having a nuclear WR makes it easy hitting a much more open target downfield

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DAT is playing well no doubt and maybe the "lightbulb" has gone on for him and if AR thinks he can trust him and work him in so be it but I don't trust him(physically and mentally -too soft for me, but he did take a pretty good shot and kept moving forward last night for a good gain on that one particular play.)

For me DAT and AW are future draft picks.
Sadly Wilson probably makes the team. Reid seems to love him
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I am still aiming for the last month of the season guys. 3 straight games at home is an extremely nice setup for a rookie QB.

And let's be honest: we would rather see Mahomes in the playoffs than Alex.
The only way Pat plays is if Smith is hurt or we are not in a playoff hunt and since Smith has the second most wins behind Brady the past 2 seasons and won 11 straight division games that seems highly unlikely
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The only way Pat plays is if Smith is hurt or we are not in a playoff hunt and since Smith has the second most wins behind Brady the past 2 seasons and won 11 straight division games that seems highly unlikely
What's his playoff record in KC?

Yeah I'm taking Pat
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Sadly Wilson probably makes the team. Reid seems to love him
Only because he knows the offense more thoroughly IMHO because it sure ain't because of talent and heart(alligator arms)
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What's his playoff record in KC?

Yeah I'm taking Pat
What's his regular season record? You know in order to make the playoffs you gotta win. You should probably be taking Alex. Mahomes hasn't won a playoff game at all. Alex has won 2. 2-0 yea I'm taking Alex who has actually won a couple playoff games
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Here's a take that maybe isn't as crazy as it sounds.

Wonder how much the Chiefs are using VR to help Mahomes get mental reps? VR isn't the same as Madden in that it actually gives the feeling like you're on the field. If I'm not mistaken, Texas Tech experimented with this quite a bit and Mahomes used it for training in college.
I have thought this since VR was invented. Why not make VR helmets with the coach talking to you asking you what do you see prior to the snap and what options are you thinking about at this point. Bluff cadence to expose where the blitz is coming from, stay with the current call, or audible. I think VR helmets would vastly improve and speed up the development for a lot of these "Cheese spread QBs" coming out of college.
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What's his regular season record? You know in order to make the playoffs you gotta win. You should probably be taking Alex. Mahomes hasn't won a playoff game at all. Alex has won 2. 2-0 yea I'm taking Alex who has actually won a couple playoff games
Alex sucks in the playoffs. That's why we drafted Mahomes.
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Alex sucks in the playoffs. That's why we drafted Mahomes.
With where PM is right now. Would you have started him over AS against Pitt last year in the playoff game? I would have.
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