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Old 02-26-2020, 10:28 PM  
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Old 02-28-2020, 12:21 PM   #76
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OBERLIN, Kan. (KAKE) - Authorities in northwest Kansas say meth purchased locally may be contaminated with coronavirus -- which is not true -- and they are advising users to get their supplies tested for free.

It's the Decatur County Sheriff's Office's attempt to get meth off the streets with a humorous twist. In a Facebook post on Thursday, the sheriff's office asked users to bring their meth in to have it tested.

"If you're not comfortable going into an office, please contact any officer and they'll test your Meth in the privacy of your home," the post said.

According to the CDC, there are no confirmed cases of coronavirus in the state of Kansas.
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Old 02-28-2020, 12:22 PM   #77
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Old 02-28-2020, 12:49 PM   #78
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This thing is a bit more than just some scare tactic and if the reported 2-4% mortality rate is indeed correct, then it has the same or even higher mortality rate as the Spanish Flu. Spanish flu wiped out 30 million people. Also if that mortality rate is correct than it is 20-40 times more deadly than the flu which kills 0.1%. There are conflicting reports from the WHO in regards to the amount of people that were infected but their symptoms were so mild they were never tested, if that number is significant than it could drop the mortality rate drastically. One of the people that was sent to China from WHO says that the number of those people seems to be very low and then another person from WHO says its impossible to tell until they can test for antibodies in people that werent tested.

So this has the potential to be fairly bad, but modern medicine can likely keep it from being too catastrophic.
Thats a lot of words to basically say nothing.
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Old 02-28-2020, 12:56 PM   #79
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Thats a lot of words to basically say nothing.
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Old 02-28-2020, 01:11 PM   #80
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This thing is a bit more than just some scare tactic and if the reported 2-4% mortality rate is indeed correct, then it has the same or even higher mortality rate as the Spanish Flu. Spanish flu wiped out 30 million people. Also if that mortality rate is correct than it is 20-40 times more deadly than the flu which kills 0.1%. There are conflicting reports from the WHO in regards to the amount of people that were infected but their symptoms were so mild they were never tested, if that number is significant than it could drop the mortality rate drastically. One of the people that was sent to China from WHO says that the number of those people seems to be very low and then another person from WHO says its impossible to tell until they can test for antibodies in people that werent tested.

So this has the potential to be fairly bad, but modern medicine can likely keep it from being too catastrophic.
The issue with those stats is that they only cover the percent of people who were SEEN AND TREATED. It's been reported that this thing can be carried by people showing no symptoms or only mild symptoms, and it's likely that those kinds of cases actually make up the vast majority of people "infected."

The real death rate is almost certainly well below 1%, and it might be more like 0.00001%, especially once we start including areas where the medical response is prepared and better equipped than rural China.
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Old 02-28-2020, 01:15 PM   #81
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The issue with those stats is that they only cover the percent of people who were SEEN AND TREATED. It's been reported that this thing can be carried by people showing no symptoms or only mild symptoms, and it's likely that those kinds of cases actually make up the vast majority of people "infected."

The real death rate is almost certainly well below 1%, and it might be more like 0.00001%, especially once we start including areas where the medical response is prepared and better equipped than rural China.
You're making too much sense. I'm going to have to ask you to panic and post irrationally from here on out.
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The issue with those stats is that they only cover the percent of people who were SEEN AND TREATED. It's been reported that this thing can be carried by people showing no symptoms or only mild symptoms, and it's likely that those kinds of cases actually make up the vast majority of people "infected."

The real death rate is almost certainly well below 1%, and it might be more like 0.00001%, especially once we start including areas where the medical response is prepared and better equipped than rural China.
It is higher than 0.00001%.

4 passengers from the Diamond Princess have already died. The ship holds less than 3000 passengers and not every passenger got sick.
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It is higher than 0.00001%.

4 passengers from the Diamond Princess have already died. The ship holds less than 3000 passengers and not every passenger got sick.
Looking at a small sample size will skew your results.
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It is higher than 0.00001%.

4 passengers from the Diamond Princess have already died. The ship holds less than 3000 passengers and not every passenger got sick.
Yeah, I didn't mean that literally. I only meant to illustrate that the difference between the stated death rates and reality is likely quite large.

Somewhere around 0.1% seems about in line with what I would expect, which is in line with death rates from the flu.

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I can tell you that a flu test doesn't cost $3500, not even close, but I can also tell you it doesn't cost $5 either. I worked in a hospital lab and sometimes I had to do the ordering for the tests and we couldn't even get the test for $5, so a hospital sure as hell isn't gonna charge you $5 to do the test. I wanna say a flu test at my local clinic would be ~$100 but my insurance covered the cost. I think most insurance companies cover a flu test.

I just looked at the article and its clear that the guy went to the ****ing ER, so his bill was so high because he went to the ER which is extremely expensive. Of course that idiot on Twitter failed to mention that. If he didn't think it was Coronavirus and he went to the clinic, then his bill would have been a fraction of the cost. People like Imran are ****ing idiots trying to push an agenda and use obscure examples to scare people "omg your insurance may not cover preventative costs?!". Getting checked for the flu/coronavirus isnt ****ing preventative. Preventative means you know to prevent getting it. God damn stupid ****ing people.
A lot of people don't know any better. You calling them stupid isn't going to change the situation that they'll be scared to get tested.
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The treatment could hold real promise as coronavirus infections and deaths outside of China continue to swell. "There is only one drug right now that we think may have real efficacy and that’s remdesivir," said WHO assistant director-general Bruce Aylward during a press conference in Beijing on Monday. The drug is already being enlisted in clinical trials in China.

The NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) will be the trial's regulatory sponsor. While remdesivir is already being tested in other countries (and has previously been tested in other forms of coronavirus, including MERS and SARS) this will be the first time that a so-called "gold standard" trial of the treatment will be tested in America.
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Looking at a small sample size will skew your results.


I think it's over 700 confirmed cases by now. Which is enough sample size that you know the mortality results within a half a % or so. IE - if 1% die - the real rate could be .7% or it could be 1.2%. But it's probably not less or more.

The Chinese doctor was hospitalized for almost a month before he died. So it could take a long time to get a real death rate.

Of course the biggest factor in mortality is being old and having other health problems. Looks like 5 have died so far but obviously this population skews super old.

The number of asymptomatic confirmed cases is concerning.

I've read more than once that the most likely scenario is this thing is going to eventually get everywhere (people in China and Japan have already been reinfected) and it will become another seasonal flu/cold thing we just have to live with.

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