TMZ: Warren Sapp arrested for soliciting a prostitute

[Dante84]

On phone, can't link

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

yes, but much of that wouldn't occurs IF it was legal and regulated.

human beings are always doing ****ed up things but keeping prostitution illegal and controlled by pimps and dirtbags just makes it worse. imo.

It's just like "marijuana". If it's government regulated, most of the associated crime will disappear.

But it's difficult to imagine legal prostitution in my lifetime due to a large segment of the population's spiritual beliefs.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by Katipan

I'm sure there were some ants crushed but the shops do more to encourage the black market industry.

The shops make it very nice and friendly and fun. Bright colors, polo shirts, IPADS, you eat this brownie, or drink this soda and you giggled and laughed like you hadn't in years. The fact that you just paid almost 30% in taxes happened so recently that you've conveniently pushed it out of your short term pot memory.

Until the next time you're like, hey I want a brownie. And you're sober. And you're like wow, I'm going to go drive across town and pay 30% in taxes?

Or your buddy knows a guy that has a friend who's cousin runs an ad listed on craigslist and he'll be over in 15 minutes.

Shops get you hooked. Black market keeps food on your table.

None of this is applicable to me. I will happily show my receipts. Part of us coming here was helping to make it work.

Interesting. So your take is that the legal shops will merely introduce more people to it, but the illegal trade will still get most of the business and money?

I haven't followed this at all other than to rake in a little money on market research for it. Legal marijuana isn't a boon in my business, but it's bought me a few new pairs of shoes. Yes, I earn drug money now.

[Katipan]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Interesting. So your take is that the legal shops will merely introduce more people to it, but the illegal trade will still get most of the business and money?

I haven't followed this at all other than to rake in a little money on market research for it. Legal marijuana isn't a boon in my business, but it's bought me a few new pairs of shoes. Yes, I earn drug money now.

As soon as summer break starts, I will be too.

I don't know about most of the business and money. Especially when we're the only state successfully doing it right now.

But level playing field. All the states have legal weed, all the states charge 30% taxes. Black market would flourish... Until the states got together and crushed them under the weight of their might but it would take a good 10 years and billions of dollars before they signed the correct documents.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's just like "marijuana". If it's government regulated, most of the associated crime will disappear.

But it's difficult to imagine legal prostitution in my lifetime due to a large segment of the population's spiritual beliefs.

I didn't believe i'd see legal pot in my lifetime either.

[Katipan]

I also don't mean to imply that the Black Market is seedy meeting in alleys anymore. Although I did my share of those in my 15 years.

I know an old guy whose wife just died. Lives on very little social security. Supplements by taking $70 ounces, breaking them into $20 1/8ths and he gets to eat all month long.

Doesn't smoke, doesn't drink, doesn't do a whole lot besides watch TV and eat. But he gets to eat.

[keg in kc]

Legalized prostitution would be great. I might actually get laid again before I die.

Personally I think all vices should be legalized and taxed.

[DeepPurple]

I haven't read through all these pages, does anyone know how much the NFL Network was paying Sapp?



It was $45,000 per month.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/04/06/warren.../#.T4BnoKtimSp

As a football player, Sapp made $82 million dollars, yet in 2012 when he filed bankruptcy he had $800 dollars in his checking. His custom built 15,000 SF Tampa home that he paid $4.1 million, was sold at auction for $2.1 million.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...-athletes-list

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage

hoping for a pregnancy or marriage.

if that's all he can pull...

[gblowfish]

This guy blew through $82 million dollars. He's been involved with spouse abuse and has been a deadbeat dad. He's also stiffed waitresses. He's the perfect Raiders role model.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by thurman merman

Again, that is completely false.

Hundreds Of Johns Arrested In Sex-Trafficking Sting That Culminated On Super Bowl Sunday

As the New England Patriots were celebrating their thrilling Super Bowl XLIX win Sunday night, law enforcement around the nation were observing a more somber victory.

At least 570 would-be sex buyers (or johns) and 23 so-called sex traffickers -- men taken into custody on charges of pimping, trafficking or promoting prostitution -- were taken off the streets in the "National Day Of Johns Arrests" effort, Illinois' Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart announced Monday.

The nationwide sex-trafficking sting operation, led by the Cook County Sheriff's Department, ran from Jan. 15 to Feb. 1.

“Sex trafficking continues to destroy countless lives, and this broad national movement should send a strong message to prospective johns that their ‘hobby’ is much more than a ‘victimless’ crime,” Dart said in a statement. “It‟s particularly meaningful that this sting culminated on the day of the Super Bowl, which unfortunately has emerged as a prominent haven for sex trafficking."

Experts like Bradley Myles, CEO of the anti-trafficking organization Polaris Project, have noted "there isn't much evidence linking the Super Bowl to a major rise in trafficking," while others point out that sex trafficking is a problem that persists not only during the Super Bowl, but year-round in communities of all sizes.

"We're trying to raise awareness best we can," Cook County Sheriff spokesman Ben Breit told The Huffington Post, explaining that the timing of the sting is largely symbolic. "Tying it to the Super Bowl is a helpful way to accomplish that."

Dart's office started the first such operation in 2011. The 2015 installment is the largest yet, comprising roughly 70 jurisdictions in 17 states, including Nevada, Arizona and Massachusetts.

On Monday, the Cook County Sheriff's office said 54 women and 14 juveniles nationwide were "rescued" (taken into custody but connected with mental health, drug abuse, domestic abuse and other services).

Other highlights of the operation included Phoenix police recovering several women who said they had been trafficked in for the Super Bowl. Cincinnati police also arrested a pair of sex traffickers who had been using public computers at a local library to post prostitution ads online, according to a release. Las Vegas Police, meanwhile, took a man into custody who was facing federal human trafficking charges in Ohio; they also arrested a john on probation for rape.

The majority of the busts were made through "dates" arranged on the classified ad site, Backpage.com (and to a lesser extent, Craigslist). Dart said Backpage.com has for years been known as the leading online marketplace for prostitution, bringing in millions of dollars a month. Backpage's exact revenue is unknown, but in 2013, classifieds analyst company AIM Group estimated Backpage's take was $4.2 million in a single month.

Backpage.com general counsel Liz McDougall told The Huffington Post via email:

We stand firm in our belief that a domestic website that combats child sex trafficking domestically in collaboration with law enforcement is far more beneficial to victims than driving the problem to underground and offshore sites. And we remain committed to effective measures of prevention and successful prosecution of this heinous crime.
Dart acknowledges his anti-trafficking and prostitution efforts have their critics -- primarily people who think law enforcement are merely criminalizing a transaction that should have long ago been legalized. But whether the crime is called sex trafficking, pimping or prostitution, Dart says he sees "no distinction."

"That's always been a tough one for me," Dart told The Huffington Post. "How is it any different when a man who gives a woman food or shelter, or coerces her with drugs or abuse, than when someone is brought in from outside the country.'"

And while Dart concedes there are some women who engage in sex work of their own choosing and without the involvement of a pimp, he says such instances are rare -- and still unsafe.

He says the next step is to continue expanding the operation to include more law enforcement agencies in more states.

"Its all about building awareness, about staying on the problem," Dart said. "There's no silver bullet for this."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6595358.html

Almost every bit of your argument is predicated on and rooted in prostitution being illegal. From lack of medical oversight to pimps, all of it created because somebody thinks it's immoral.

And even if it became legal, you'd still have it being organized by people who create the union. So like a mall that gives a store an opportunity to setup shop, are they are a store-pimp because they take a cut? One is very illegal and one is very legal, but to say it's not the same thing is a stretch. I wonder how many women at the bunny ranch were dragged in by their hair? I wonder how many curl-up in the corner shooting heroin? None. I think some may regret their choice later, but prostitution and porn aren't the only careers that leave a person wishing they had made other choices in life. Will there always be some violators? Yup.. Just like in this day and age of Ticketmaster you have scalpers selling tickets right outside the venue!

IMO all you can hope for relative to this oldest of trades is to control any violence and disease that can come from it. But given the carnal nature of human beings you aren't going to stop it, that's for sure. Look no further than prohibition to discover what will happen when you tell people they can't take a drink - the same goes for getting laid. It's not far off and you know it.

But know this, most of those tragic stories that you just referenced were enabled by there being a demand and it being illegal.

[royalschiefs]

lol

[Mama Hip Rockets]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Almost every bit of your argument is predicated on and rooted in prostitution being illegal. From lack of medical oversight to pimps, all of it created because somebody thinks it's immoral.

And even if it became legal, you'd still have it being organized by people who create the union. So like a mall that gives a store an opportunity to setup shop, are they are a store-pimp because they take a cut? One is very illegal and one is very legal, but to say it's not the same thing is a stretch. I wonder how many women at the bunny ranch were dragged in by their hair? I wonder how many curl-up in the corner shooting heroin? None. I think some may regret their choice later, but prostitution and porn aren't the only careers that leave a person wishing they had made other choices in life. Will there always be some violators? Yup.. Just like in this day and age of Ticketmaster you have scalpers selling tickets right outside the venue!

IMO all you can hope for relative to this oldest of trades is to control any violence and disease that can come from it. But given the carnal nature of human beings you aren't going to stop it, that's for sure. Look no further than prohibition to discover what will happen when you tell people they can't take a drink - the same goes for getting laid. It's not far off and you know it.

But know this, most of those tragic stories that you just referenced were enabled by there being a demand and it being illegal.

You make some good arguments, but I would counter with two thoughts:

A) It's legal in Amsterdam, and there is still a huge problem with pimps and trafficking there.
B) The bunny ranch is obviously a microscopically small percentage of the women involved in the sex industry. But still, how do you know if any of them were forced into it and/or addicted to drugs? I don't think it's safe to assume that they are not.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

No New Mexico johns? I better go correct that shit.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by thurman merman

You make some good arguments, but I would counter with two thoughts:

A) It's legal in Amsterdam, and there is still a huge problem with pimps and trafficking there.
B) The bunny ranch is obviously a microscopically small percentage of the women involved in the sex industry. But still, how do you know if any of them were forced into it and/or addicted to drugs? I don't think it's safe to assume that they are not.

Valid points to say the least. I just think it's time to quit thinking you can legislate it away, or make it go away with moral indignation.

While we can all wonder why Sapp can't get laid otherwise, tomorrow we'll be in awe of another gold digger who was nothing and dumps her spouse. Or better yet we'll wonder why Kobe had to rape a woman when he could have a boatload of hot chicks willingly.

And not every guy is Kobe, an NFL player, Clark Hunt, or David, so to think there's not demand for it is just crazy.

So morality aside, knowing we're human means men are going to get Willy wet, and it's not for procreation or love, but just for fun, the world needs to wake up and plan for it.