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Old 05-29-2018, 09:19 PM  
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Concern about Obama IC spying on Trump?

Are any non-Trump voters around here starting to be concerned about the Obama administration turning it's counter-intelligence resources on the Trump campaign during the 2016 election? I realize that there's always the chance that we will eventually find some super compelling basis for the spying, but given what we know now are any of you starting to think that maybe there really was something rotten going on?

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Old 05-30-2018, 09:00 AM   #31
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I’m pretty shocked that Suzzer, AMD, Stumpy, and Jim Hammer don’t have any concern at all. Well, not that shocked by AMD, the guy who mostly speaks through cartoons,, but the others are a surprise.
Ha, you're shocked?

It's been pretty apparent for quite a while now a lot of liberal posters wouldn't care if Obama's administration tried to influence an election. They'd consider treason acceptable if it helped their side.
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:11 AM   #32
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So by the Judge's own words, this is SOP for "criminal investigations". Was Trump under a criminal investigation without being informed? And if he was so, for what? (And please tell us Russian collusion.)


"Don't worry, we're not investigating you for reasons to pass intel on to Hillary and her campaign, we're just making sure you're not involved in (name your criminal activity) while you're campaigning for POTUS."
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:13 AM   #33
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Ha, you're shocked?

It's been pretty apparent for quite a while now a lot of liberal posters wouldn't care if Obama's administration tried to influence an election. They'd consider treason acceptable if it helped their side.
Team over country for the liberals but that is easy for them since they are globalists.
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:14 AM   #34
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There is no longer any doubt that the Obama administration was spying on the Trump campaign, that's not even in question.
Based on what?
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:15 AM   #35
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Ha, you're shocked?

It's been pretty apparent for quite a while now a lot of liberal posters wouldn't care if Obama's administration tried to influence an election. They'd consider treason acceptable if it helped their side.
You seem to be right.
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:16 AM   #36
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So by the Judge's own words, this is SOP for "criminal investigations". Was Trump under a criminal investigation without being informed? And if he was so, for what? (And please tell us Russian collusion.)


"Don't worry, we're not investigating you for reasons to pass intel on to Hillary and her campaign, we're just making sure you're not involved in (name your criminal activity) while you're campaigning for POTUS."
My understanding is that the FBI began looking into the allegations provided by the Aussies in July 2016, after Papadopoulos ran his mouth.
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Based on what?
It's been in the news. There's not even any denial, just semantic arguments about whether it should be called spying or something more technical that sounds less nefarious.
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My understanding is that the FBI began looking into the allegations provided by the Aussies in July 2016, after Papadopoulos ran his mouth.
You have some catching up to do.
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:19 AM   #39
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It's been in the news. There's not even any denial, just semantic arguments about whether it should be called spying or something more technical that sounds less nefarious.
I've been busy with other things. Has anyone denied that the FBI began investigating the Trump campaign because of one of Trump's own campaign staff, or something?
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You have some catching up to do.


Probably. What is pertinent here? Did something happen which disputes what I stated?
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:28 AM   #41
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I've been busy with other things. Has anyone denied that the FBI began investigating the Trump campaign because of one of Trump's own campaign staff, or something?
A guy named Stefan Halper, with connections to US and British intelligence made contact with 3 Trump campaign associates (Clovin, Page, and Papadopolus) before the incident with the Australian ambassador. He was described by James Comey as a "confidential human source" instead of a spy, as if secretly collecting information on a target is different from spying.

The official investigation was opened after the Papadopolus meeting with the Australian, but they were investigating the Trump campaign prior to that.
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:36 AM   #42
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Appears that collusion in the 2016 election was done by a foreign power named England—not Russians. England colluded with Obama's intel to influence the outcome of an election and/or attempt to overturn the election if needed.

Kinda' how the Italian EU-skeptics voted out EU candidates, only to have that overturned because they don't get to vote for their president. So a Goldman Sachs EU technocrat president was selected instead. It's easier to do that over there, but here such people have to be sly.

Same thing happened after an election in Greece where a GS technocrat was chosen to usurp the election outcome. This is tyranny. It is global. America must not fall prey to these vipers, for the sake of the world not just ourselves.

The globalists are working over time. Soros is even predicting an economic collapse. I think he wants it. This way the masses will cry out for more govt to strangle our freedoms with. Meanwhile the First and Second Amendments are under relentless attacks and the 4th Amendment has all but eviscerated.
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:42 AM   #43
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A guy named Stefan Halper, with connections to US and British intelligence made contact with 3 Trump campaign associates (Clovin, Page, and Papadopolus) before the incident with the Australian ambassador. He was described by James Comey as a "confidential human source" instead of a spy, as if secretly collecting information on a target is different from spying.
I see:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.6181f9e60c90

It sounds like he made initial contact with Page of his own volition, no?

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The official investigation was opened after the Papadopolus meeting with the Australian, but they were investigating the Trump campaign prior to that.
Based on what?
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Old 05-30-2018, 09:46 AM   #44
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I see:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.6181f9e60c90

It sounds like he made initial contact with Page of his own volition, no?

Based on what?
The old "yeah, our own guy was a 'spy' for the FBI/DOJ/CIA routine...and we get to define 'spy!'"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ebbefe72aa6c

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I'm going to chalk Donger up as "no concern whatsoever".
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